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German prosecutors charge ex-Audi boss Stadler over emissions cheating
- brogrammer2018 7y ago[Removed]
- gavia1 7y agoYou bought a 5 year old car with less than 55 miles on the odometer? Has it been sat up in a lot for 5 years?
- brogrammer2018 7y ago[Removed]
- gavia1 7y agoO.K, then how is it possible you did only 55 miles in 5 years of ownership? If you meant to write 55,000 miles then that's a different conversation!
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- usaphp 7y agoBut any company would do the same. If it’s outside of a warranty period - they won’t fix anything for free
- gavia1 7y ago$35,000 is a lot of cash for a new transmission. But if the car is 5 years out of warranty why not take it to a specialist who would charge much less? What was the fault? It must had been a severe gearbox failure to warrant a complete replacement rather than a rebuild.
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- dustinmoris 7y ago> Audi said in a statement on Wednesday that it was in the interest of the company, its shareholders and employees to clarify the issues that led to the diesel crisis. “Until this has happened, the presumption of innocence must prevail,” the spokesman said. In this case, I don't see how the presumption of innocence can prevail. Let's not forget, this was not a manufacturing error, an oversight or some other engineering "mistake" which could be explained in a plausible way. Someone purposefully engineered a device and software, which had no other purpose than manipulating emission tests with the intent to create an unlawful advantage for the company. The idea, plan and execution of such a software could have only happened by some execs at Volkswagen and Audi. This is a clear criminal offense with clear intend and the only question is how many need to go into jail for this, not if someone should be jailed.
- gattilorenz 7y agoNo, that's not how it should work. I know what you mean, but the presumption of innocence is there until there is a final decision by a judge. You don't suspend the presumption of innocence just because it seems clear that a felony happened, otherwise it's almost never there.
- rusk 7y agopresumption of innocence is on the individual, not on whether there was a crime or not e.g. murder, there is no doubt that somebody is guilty, but but all suspects benefit from presumption of innocence.
- dustinmoris 7y agoPrecisely what I meant! In my comment I did not accuse any individuals specifically. I said "someone" must have committed a crime here and that this is clear from the case and therefore we cannot presume innocence, just need to focus who are the offenders, but not if there was a criminal offense in the first place.
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- thender21 7y agoThe German government is most likely deeply, deeply ashamed and embarrassed that its own engineers would have 'cheated'. Not only is Automotive Engineering the pride of the nation but a lot of German industry and investment was tied to Diesel as a future low emissions transport technology. They're going to follow and prosecute this like blood hounds.
- hef19898 7y agoPoint in case: Audi is a Bavarian company and the prosecutors are in Munich. That in a state with it's fair share of affairs between industry and politics is already telling a lot. And don't forget Stadler was jailed for quite a while for witness tempering. Not a good idea if your calls are under police surveillance. EDIT: Just how embarrassed our government really is is a good question. The role of our regulators is still not really clear. Prosecutors in Munich even went so far to subpoena the KBA (German automotive regulator). Fun fact, the German traffic ministry is and was lead by members of the Bavarian majority party. That implies some gits at the prosecution side. EDIT 2: Almost subpoenaed the KBA.
- mindjiver 7y agoI'm skeptical that this will turn into a conviction. The deep pockets of the auto industry takes them a long way into the different state and federal governments in Germany.
- hutzlibu 7y ago"They're going to follow and prosecute this like blood hounds" No they won't. They do all they can, to not harm the important car sector anymore, than it already is. So they will continue to act like they do all they can to chase the single bad actors and then everyone hopefully finally forgets, there was something. As far as I know, no individual car owner in germany has any hope of getting a refund, after they were cheated in bying a "low emission diesel". The way the politic sees it, VW was already damaged enough by the US recompensation demands. It is politics and power they care about, not justice.
- StreamBright 7y agoI would expect similar proceeding for Boeing about the MCAS disaster.
- lrem 7y agoThere's a difference in the politics, isn't there? At least looking at the surface, German response to dieselgate is "we'll get to the bottom of this", while US response to MCAS is "we'll retaliate against Airbus".
- wil421 7y agoThere is a DOJ probe[1] into Boeing’s 737 MAX and 787. We don’t really know what is happening behind the scenes. Individual employees have been subpoenaed from Boeing. It doesn’t sound much different from Audi except the dieselgate is from 2015. The German prosecutors have had 4 years. [1]https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/federal-prosecutors-issue-subpoena-for-boeing-787-dreamliner-records/ https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/feder...
- lrem 7y agoOh, I'm sure the career professionals in the proper departments will do their job. I was referring to what politicians say.
- GrumpyNl 7y agoIts about time that we take care of the blue collar criminals.