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No problem here really. It's best to debug the ship while it is already being used - issues come up more frequently. It's not a dangerous time in the U.S. histo

No problem here really. It's best to debug the ship while it is already being used - issues come up more frequently. It's not a dangerous time in the U.S. history now - probably, safest time ever (no real enemies left since 1992 and nothing to fight for since the U.S. achieved oil independence recently). It's the best to do it in exactly the way it's done - spend another 5 years debugging the ship while it's being used in some sort of reduced capability mode, then another year to retrofit all fixes to the 2nd ship of class, and it will still be okay. People who see delays in major weapon programs as catastrophic, forget that the potential adversaries either protracted their equivalents for decades, or cancelled them altogether. F-22 looked like a mad dash to arrive to the 5th generation fighter ahead of Soviet Union, in 1991. It's been developed, all of them are built, fully learned by their crews and already start to age, and Russian 5th generation is still nowhere on the horizon - their abortion sort of project has even been discarded by the Indians as not matching their minimal requirements, and is in limbo since then. It's more or less the same with all similar projects.

mschuster91 7y ago
> no real enemies left since 1992 and nothing to fight for since the U.S. achieved oil independence recently There is one big enemy on the horizon: China, which gets ever more and more aggressive. That trade war may very well escalate in a real war, with the Chinese holding an absurd amount of leverage since the US doesn't have much manufacturing at home any more. In addition, there is Africa - which is the only market that hasn't been saturated already and only needs a bit of kickstarting. China has seen this and massively invested, and they will sell to Africa and grow on that, not the US.
- anovikov 7y ago
  What's the problem with that? How does rich and prosperous China threaten U.S. security? If anything, destitute and hopeless one does - they would have nothing to lose and would push through some radical agenda for the rulers to stay in power. If China becomes richer and more influential, there is nothing bad for the U.S. in that. World isn't zero-sum. Soviet Union was dangerous because it pushed through Communist ideas which threatened to uproot everything the Western world stands upon, starting with family and religion. China isn't going to do any of that shit, they are a super-pragmatic nation and they don't believe into any "ideas" themselves for that matter. If their way of government threatens Western democracy i'm more on the side of them rather than Western democracy: i strongly believe that market capitalism is incompatible with (universal) electoral democracy and for them to coexist, you have to turn one of them, or both, into fakes. It's time for West to get back republican model of government back to it's roots when only responsible, tax-paying immovable properly/production asset owners voted. If Chinese pressure will nudge them to do it sooner, good for them!
  - mschuster91 7y ago
    > What's the problem with that? That a superpower that basically shits on human rights has no one to tell them to fuck off? > If China becomes richer and more influential, there is nothing bad for the U.S. in that. It is, because (actually right now) China holds leverage over the US. They ban exports to the US, the US economy grinds to a halt. > Soviet Union was dangerous because it pushed through Communist ideas which threatened to uproot everything the Western world stands upon, starting with family and religion. What's the problem with communism, per se? And communism has nothing against families. > China isn't going to do any of that shit, they are a super-pragmatic nation and they don't believe into any "ideas" themselves for that matter. They're only putting Uyghur muslims into concentration camps and exterminating anything visible from their culture (e.g. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-religion-islam/sign-of-the-times-chinas-capital-orders-arabic-muslim-symbols-taken-down-idUSKCN1UQ0JF https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-religion-islam/sign...). > If their way of government threatens Western democracy i'm more on the side of them rather than Western democracy Chinese way of government threatens not only Western democracies, it also threatens the entire concept of "human rights"!

mschuster91 7y ago

> no real enemies left since 1992 and nothing to fight for since the U.S. achieved oil independence recently There is one big enemy on the horizon: China, which gets ever more and more aggressive. That trade war may very well escalate in a real war, with the Chinese holding an absurd amount of leverage since the US doesn't have much manufacturing at home any more. In addition, there is Africa - which is the only market that hasn't been saturated already and only needs a bit of kickstarting. China has seen this and massively invested, and they will sell to Africa and grow on that, not the US.

anovikov 7y ago
What's the problem with that? How does rich and prosperous China threaten U.S. security? If anything, destitute and hopeless one does - they would have nothing to lose and would push through some radical agenda for the rulers to stay in power. If China becomes richer and more influential, there is nothing bad for the U.S. in that. World isn't zero-sum. Soviet Union was dangerous because it pushed through Communist ideas which threatened to uproot everything the Western world stands upon, starting with family and religion. China isn't going to do any of that shit, they are a super-pragmatic nation and they don't believe into any "ideas" themselves for that matter. If their way of government threatens Western democracy i'm more on the side of them rather than Western democracy: i strongly believe that market capitalism is incompatible with (universal) electoral democracy and for them to coexist, you have to turn one of them, or both, into fakes. It's time for West to get back republican model of government back to it's roots when only responsible, tax-paying immovable properly/production asset owners voted. If Chinese pressure will nudge them to do it sooner, good for them!
- mschuster91 7y ago
  > What's the problem with that? That a superpower that basically shits on human rights has no one to tell them to fuck off? > If China becomes richer and more influential, there is nothing bad for the U.S. in that. It is, because (actually right now) China holds leverage over the US. They ban exports to the US, the US economy grinds to a halt. > Soviet Union was dangerous because it pushed through Communist ideas which threatened to uproot everything the Western world stands upon, starting with family and religion. What's the problem with communism, per se? And communism has nothing against families. > China isn't going to do any of that shit, they are a super-pragmatic nation and they don't believe into any "ideas" themselves for that matter. They're only putting Uyghur muslims into concentration camps and exterminating anything visible from their culture (e.g. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-religion-islam/sign-of-the-times-chinas-capital-orders-arabic-muslim-symbols-taken-down-idUSKCN1UQ0JF https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-religion-islam/sign...). > If their way of government threatens Western democracy i'm more on the side of them rather than Western democracy Chinese way of government threatens not only Western democracies, it also threatens the entire concept of "human rights"!