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If they cared about women they would find lots of crime. Particularly on trains, so many women get groped and harassed. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/

If they cared about women they would find lots of crime. Particularly on trains, so many women get groped and harassed. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/06/22/national/media-national/embracing-social-media-protect-others-danger-japan/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2019/06/22/national/media-...

tdxcbkifxx 7y ago
Since when is "harassing" someone a crime?
- devm0de 7y ago
  I believe they’re referring to Chikan which is estimated to have happened to 2/3 of women who ride the train in Japan and the act violates several Japanese laws.
  - deleted 7y ago
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- qtplatypus 7y ago
  It is when the harassment is of sexual nature.
  - mruts 7y ago
    Actually all harassment is a crime in the US. Just insulting people and saying lewd things isn’t harassment, though.
    - sterwill 7y ago
      I don't think this is true. There are 50 states, each with different laws and definitions of acts and crimes. I am not aware of any federal anti-harassment laws except for those governing workplaces, and even those do not consider all harassment to be illegal.
  - CapricornNoble 7y ago
    To lighten the mood a little bit: https://youtu.be/kk6DGHWIl7A?t=741 https://youtu.be/kk6DGHWIl7A?t=741 RIP Patrice O'Neal.
- okmokmz 7y ago
  Are you serious? Groping someone on a train is sexual assault
spodek 7y ago
Aren't men greater victims of violent crimes? I couldn't find a source for Japan, but the sources in a quick web search seemed to indicate so, generally based on government statistics: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=men+women+violent+crime+victim+rate&atb=v173-1&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=men+women+violent+crime+victim+rat...
- DangitBobby 7y ago
  Worldwide, men are victimized at much higher rates, especially when the perpetrator is a stranger. But men also commit the vast majority of violent crimes. Most of these crimes end up being men hurting other men. Of particular interest is homicide statistics... >A 2013 global study on homicide by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime found that males accounted for about 96 percent of all homicide perpetrators worldwide. The wiki speculates that this could be due to biological differences, such as men being much more willing to engage in risky behavior. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime
  - colordrops 7y ago
    Why does it matter who is hurting who? Just protect those who are being hurt.
    - michaelt 7y ago
      In terms of evaluating police effectiveness it could matter in some cases. For example, the police probably can't do much to protect one drug dealer from another as both drug dealers are presumably trying to avoid the police (and the decision to legalise drugs is a political one not a police one).
  - Aloha 7y ago
    That's the same argument used by conservatives to discount black on black crime. If it doesn't hold water there, it doesn't hold any here.
Faark 7y ago
Why would you ever take on such a case? A matter were testimony stands against testimony? That would totally ruin your wonderful 99% conviction rate [0]. If a victim comes to you to report something like that, you better get her out asap by whatever means necessary. Just make sure you're not become part of the crime stats yourself... though that should be hard for you thanks to the necessary inside knowledge & contacts. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Japan#Conviction_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Jap...
- CapricornNoble 7y ago
  Anecdata: a female friend of mine was beaten up by her boyfriend (who was a pimp at a "soapy") and sent me pics of the bruises. I told her to go to the police. She said they would do nothing, something about her dad having a bad reputation (I didn't fully understand her Japanese text messages). I said go anyway and at least try, she's got clear evidence. She did. They did nothing. And I've got several other similar stories from other women I've known. There is a LOT of unreported domestic violence and sexual assault in Japan.
- gnode 7y ago
  The conviction rate is high because prosecutors have discretion over which cases to take to court, and there is no jury. The outcome of a bench trial is often predictable, and prosecutors will only take to trial cases they believe will succeed. A large proportion of prosecutions in Japan rely on confessions, often obtained by duress. Even if only a small number of perpetrators (or innocent suspects) confess, taking only those cases to trail keeps the conviction rate high. The rate at which crimes are solved is somewhat lower -- less than 30% according to the article.
HyperTalk2 7y ago
Perhaps they don't complain to the police because they are stoic and also prefer maximizing peace and order in their society rather than selfishly clutching their pearls over inconsequential annoyances. Japanese tend to have an intuitive understanding that sending an easily tolerated creep to jail will cause damage to everyone in his life including his employer and his family. They lack the impulsive blind urge for life-destroying revenge which you incorrectly believe everyone naturally possesses. Their culture is different but you seem hesitant to respect or recognize that. Japan Times is also widely considered by actual Japanese people to be racist anti-Japanese propaganda meant to confuse non-Japanese people into eventually insisting on various forms of heavy-handed intervention in their country. The article is written by a no-name pop music blogger and based entirely on his personal spin on a small handful of random tweets. It is probably mostly false.
- okmokmz 7y ago
  Wow, a pro-sexual assault stance... you clearly have some serious issues >selfishly clutching their pearls over inconsequential annoyances I don't even know what to say here. Referring to sexual assaults as inconsequential annoyances is so ignorant and vile I can't even comprehend how people can have such sickeningly twisted points of view >Japanese tend to have an intuitive understanding that sending an easily tolerated creep to jail will cause damage to everyone in his life including his employer and his family No one should have to "tolerate" sexual abuse, and good, if you think that behavior is acceptable your life should be damaged and your family should be aware of it >They lack the impulsive blind urge for life-destroying revenge Telling the police that someone sexually assaulted you is not seeking revenge, it's the right thing to do. Also, the person that committed the assault is the one destroying their life, no one else. >Their culture is different but you seem hesitant to respect or recognize that. Culture doesn't justify sexual assault edit: 3 people have downvoted this since it was posted. I never would have thought that not supporting sexual predators would be controversial. Would anyone that downvoted like to chime in and explain why it's ok to molest people in public?
  - HyperTalk2 7y ago
    You're merely whitesplaining how Japanese people should live. Japan will weigh the importance of various problems and solve them however they want at their own pace. They don't need your "help" and they never asked for it.
whenanother 7y ago
east asian countries have some of the lowest crime rates in general and some of the lowest crime rates when it comes to crimes committed against the opposite sex. you can correlate this with non-east asian countries by comparing the statistics of crimes in countries with lax immigration policies, south korea, vs countries with much stricter ones like Japan. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-r... us has 27 rapes out of 100k citizens vs 13.5 in south korea vs only 1 in japan. that 13.5 is the highest rate among east asian countries. but south korea has the largest foreign population as a percentage of their population out of all the east asian countries. so this stereotype being pushed that east asia countries "hides" their crimes towards females is clearly not true. these anecdotal comments you see on the internet may be leaving out the most important detail. are the perpetrators even a native east asian? putting a non-east asian in east asia does not make that person stop committing crimes.

tdxcbkifxx 7y ago

Since when is "harassing" someone a crime?

devm0de 7y ago
I believe they’re referring to Chikan which is estimated to have happened to 2/3 of women who ride the train in Japan and the act violates several Japanese laws.
- deleted 7y ago
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qtplatypus 7y ago
It is when the harassment is of sexual nature.
- mruts 7y ago
  Actually all harassment is a crime in the US. Just insulting people and saying lewd things isn’t harassment, though.
  - sterwill 7y ago
    I don't think this is true. There are 50 states, each with different laws and definitions of acts and crimes. I am not aware of any federal anti-harassment laws except for those governing workplaces, and even those do not consider all harassment to be illegal.
- CapricornNoble 7y ago
  To lighten the mood a little bit: https://youtu.be/kk6DGHWIl7A?t=741 https://youtu.be/kk6DGHWIl7A?t=741 RIP Patrice O'Neal.
okmokmz 7y ago
Are you serious? Groping someone on a train is sexual assault

spodek 7y ago

Aren't men greater victims of violent crimes? I couldn't find a source for Japan, but the sources in a quick web search seemed to indicate so, generally based on government statistics: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=men+women+violent+crime+victim+rate&atb=v173-1&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=men+women+violent+crime+victim+rat...

DangitBobby 7y ago
Worldwide, men are victimized at much higher rates, especially when the perpetrator is a stranger. But men also commit the vast majority of violent crimes. Most of these crimes end up being men hurting other men. Of particular interest is homicide statistics... >A 2013 global study on homicide by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime found that males accounted for about 96 percent of all homicide perpetrators worldwide. The wiki speculates that this could be due to biological differences, such as men being much more willing to engage in risky behavior. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_crime
- colordrops 7y ago
  Why does it matter who is hurting who? Just protect those who are being hurt.
  - michaelt 7y ago
    In terms of evaluating police effectiveness it could matter in some cases. For example, the police probably can't do much to protect one drug dealer from another as both drug dealers are presumably trying to avoid the police (and the decision to legalise drugs is a political one not a police one).
- Aloha 7y ago
  That's the same argument used by conservatives to discount black on black crime. If it doesn't hold water there, it doesn't hold any here.

Faark 7y ago

Why would you ever take on such a case? A matter were testimony stands against testimony? That would totally ruin your wonderful 99% conviction rate [0]. If a victim comes to you to report something like that, you better get her out asap by whatever means necessary. Just make sure you're not become part of the crime stats yourself... though that should be hard for you thanks to the necessary inside knowledge & contacts. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Japan#Conviction_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_justice_system_of_Jap...

CapricornNoble 7y ago
Anecdata: a female friend of mine was beaten up by her boyfriend (who was a pimp at a "soapy") and sent me pics of the bruises. I told her to go to the police. She said they would do nothing, something about her dad having a bad reputation (I didn't fully understand her Japanese text messages). I said go anyway and at least try, she's got clear evidence. She did. They did nothing. And I've got several other similar stories from other women I've known. There is a LOT of unreported domestic violence and sexual assault in Japan.
gnode 7y ago
The conviction rate is high because prosecutors have discretion over which cases to take to court, and there is no jury. The outcome of a bench trial is often predictable, and prosecutors will only take to trial cases they believe will succeed. A large proportion of prosecutions in Japan rely on confessions, often obtained by duress. Even if only a small number of perpetrators (or innocent suspects) confess, taking only those cases to trail keeps the conviction rate high. The rate at which crimes are solved is somewhat lower -- less than 30% according to the article.

HyperTalk2 7y ago

Perhaps they don't complain to the police because they are stoic and also prefer maximizing peace and order in their society rather than selfishly clutching their pearls over inconsequential annoyances. Japanese tend to have an intuitive understanding that sending an easily tolerated creep to jail will cause damage to everyone in his life including his employer and his family. They lack the impulsive blind urge for life-destroying revenge which you incorrectly believe everyone naturally possesses. Their culture is different but you seem hesitant to respect or recognize that. Japan Times is also widely considered by actual Japanese people to be racist anti-Japanese propaganda meant to confuse non-Japanese people into eventually insisting on various forms of heavy-handed intervention in their country. The article is written by a no-name pop music blogger and based entirely on his personal spin on a small handful of random tweets. It is probably mostly false.

okmokmz 7y ago
Wow, a pro-sexual assault stance... you clearly have some serious issues >selfishly clutching their pearls over inconsequential annoyances I don't even know what to say here. Referring to sexual assaults as inconsequential annoyances is so ignorant and vile I can't even comprehend how people can have such sickeningly twisted points of view >Japanese tend to have an intuitive understanding that sending an easily tolerated creep to jail will cause damage to everyone in his life including his employer and his family No one should have to "tolerate" sexual abuse, and good, if you think that behavior is acceptable your life should be damaged and your family should be aware of it >They lack the impulsive blind urge for life-destroying revenge Telling the police that someone sexually assaulted you is not seeking revenge, it's the right thing to do. Also, the person that committed the assault is the one destroying their life, no one else. >Their culture is different but you seem hesitant to respect or recognize that. Culture doesn't justify sexual assault edit: 3 people have downvoted this since it was posted. I never would have thought that not supporting sexual predators would be controversial. Would anyone that downvoted like to chime in and explain why it's ok to molest people in public?
- HyperTalk2 7y ago
  You're merely whitesplaining how Japanese people should live. Japan will weigh the importance of various problems and solve them however they want at their own pace. They don't need your "help" and they never asked for it.

whenanother 7y ago

east asian countries have some of the lowest crime rates in general and some of the lowest crime rates when it comes to crimes committed against the opposite sex. you can correlate this with non-east asian countries by comparing the statistics of crimes in countries with lax immigration policies, south korea, vs countries with much stricter ones like Japan. https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-rate https://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Crime/Rape-r... us has 27 rapes out of 100k citizens vs 13.5 in south korea vs only 1 in japan. that 13.5 is the highest rate among east asian countries. but south korea has the largest foreign population as a percentage of their population out of all the east asian countries. so this stereotype being pushed that east asia countries "hides" their crimes towards females is clearly not true. these anecdotal comments you see on the internet may be leaving out the most important detail. are the perpetrators even a native east asian? putting a non-east asian in east asia does not make that person stop committing crimes.