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Why not? They provide the most funding for it through their taxes.

cataphract 7y ago
It's anyway debatable that the parent's earnings should be taken into consideration. I knew plenty of people whose parents were unwilling to finance their college or they were even estranged. These students got no aid or a reduced amount because of that. Just another way society punishes those not lucky enough to be born to the right parents.
- Scoundreller 7y ago
  Or students that had a good relationship with their separated parents, but would deny any support from the wealthier parent in their loan applications. Or students that had cash-paying jobs to keep their income low Or those returning to school being penalized because they saved some funds in the intervening years (I guess this one's debatable... still annoying how they expected me to withdraw from my 401k equivalent, but didn't expect you to cash out your pension)
  - briandear 7y ago
    > Or students that had cash-paying jobs to keep their income low So they committed tax fraud as well as financial aid fraud? (Presumably “cash” is another way of saying “unreported income.”
    - Scoundreller 7y ago
      There are those that do, especially as students (often working in tip-heavy industries). Just making the point that means-testing is fraught with hazards.
- collinstevens 7y ago
  Yup. I had to include both my parents tax information. It was assumed they would contribute a bunch of money, which zero was contributed from them. I got $0.00 in free money from parents or government. That was fun.
- Pfhreak 7y ago
  I went through basically this. Worked full time while I was at school at various jobs to make ends meet. But I don't resent the school system for denying me aid. I understand that I represent a very small population of people who: 1) Want to go to college 2) Had very wealthy parents 3) Wanted nothing to do with said parents In basically every other case, the system works reasonably well, and I'm not sure we should be making financial aid easier to get for the wealthier folks just because a few folks like me come along every year.
  - cannonedhamster 7y ago
    And you're how the system should work. I grew up to middle class parents but was largely in the same situation, except my parents had nothing to help with. Multiple bankruptcies, a failed business, and marital problems eventually led to my childhood home being foreclosed on. I've seen both wealthy and poor alike game the system. It's frustrating, especially when the hard times are from their own poor decision making. One family I knew could have entirely paid off their home, bought a modest used vehicle the desperately needed, and saved some money for college. They blew it on giving it away to friends and family vacations. Their car fell apart and their home was foreclosed on, their children were forced to drop out of college all because they made poor decisions and refused any attempts at listening to the warning we tried to offer then that they were making poor decisions. These were people below the poverty line. If they'd waited a single year they would have been able to have it all with what they and from paying off their mortgage. By no means am I claiming to be perfect financially. We moved before we were ready because the neighbors we'd previously been close with became resentful as our financial situation improved beyond theirs. They would do really insane things, burning trash in their yards immediately after we washed our cars to get our cars covered in ash, putting a floodlight directly into our bedroom that would go off randomly at night, blocking our driveway. We bought a house below what we could have in a moderately nice, but not upscale neighborhood. It took us months of searching for the right house. I have to drive a bit farther for work when I can't work from home, but saving thousands a year in mortgage payments and living in what we've made our dream home is worth it to us. People like you are what makes the system better. Putting in the work and earning it. I bet you're awesome at what you do.
- Rapzid 7y ago
  Yup, knew parents of good friends and my own that would help a little in a dire pinch but the expectation was to get scholarships and/or work through college for it. Makes sense particularly if you consider a family with 3 or more kids. I make good money but I ain't got half a million dollars to throw at Universities..
  - souprock 7y ago
    I've a dozen kids, so yeah... As far as I can tell, the FAFSA is a bait-and-switch. You're enticed with grants and scholarships, but all you get is inadequate loans. I have never met anybody who got the grants and scholarships. Perhaps it works if you are an independent student. For that you must do one of the following: wait until you are 24, get married, serve in the military, have a kid, go into foster care, or have your parents both die.
cannonedhamster 7y ago
There were private funds as well as public funds. If you and I both contribute into pot of money for the poor, your don't get to have your children claim it back by saying the homeless person that should be getting that money is their guardian. These people are cheating instead of the harder thing of going to community college and then transferring to a 4 year college or simply not having 6 children which they couldn't afford to provide college educations for if that was important to them. It's not as though when get conceived of a child 18 years ago this trend wasn't fully in swing. They chose to buy an expensive house and send their other children to expensive colleges. Now they are abusing the system because things got hard. I didn't get a dime of money from my parents. I joined the military and worked a full time job at night in a factory while going to school full time during the day. This person is just the child of rich parents who are used to not working for anything. What have they taught their child? They are without an ethical core and should be called out for it.
djrobstep 7y ago
"Their taxes" doesn't make sense as your tax liability by definition does not belong to you. Tax is money owed in return for government services such as property law enforcement, without which nobody could own any property at all.
astrange 7y ago
In California people voted themselves Prop 13 so they'd stop having to pay for schools. College was free before then; now it isn't, and your K12 schools have to start foundations and constantly harass people into donating.
- rasz 7y ago
  Those poor poor Cali colleges. University of California, Los Angeles/Endowment 5 billion USD
  - TheCoelacanth 7y ago
    That size of an endowment gives them about $4,500 per student per year, so hardly enough to cover the full cost of a education. For comparison, Harvard has an 8x larger endowment for half the number of students.

It's anyway debatable that the parent's earnings should be taken into consideration. I knew plenty of people whose parents were unwilling to finance their college or they were even estranged. These students got no aid or a reduced amount because of that. Just another way society punishes those not lucky enough to be born to the right parents.

Scoundreller 7y ago
Or students that had a good relationship with their separated parents, but would deny any support from the wealthier parent in their loan applications. Or students that had cash-paying jobs to keep their income low Or those returning to school being penalized because they saved some funds in the intervening years (I guess this one's debatable... still annoying how they expected me to withdraw from my 401k equivalent, but didn't expect you to cash out your pension)
- briandear 7y ago
  > Or students that had cash-paying jobs to keep their income low So they committed tax fraud as well as financial aid fraud? (Presumably “cash” is another way of saying “unreported income.”
  - Scoundreller 7y ago
    There are those that do, especially as students (often working in tip-heavy industries). Just making the point that means-testing is fraught with hazards.
collinstevens 7y ago
Yup. I had to include both my parents tax information. It was assumed they would contribute a bunch of money, which zero was contributed from them. I got $0.00 in free money from parents or government. That was fun.
Pfhreak 7y ago
I went through basically this. Worked full time while I was at school at various jobs to make ends meet. But I don't resent the school system for denying me aid. I understand that I represent a very small population of people who: 1) Want to go to college 2) Had very wealthy parents 3) Wanted nothing to do with said parents In basically every other case, the system works reasonably well, and I'm not sure we should be making financial aid easier to get for the wealthier folks just because a few folks like me come along every year.
- cannonedhamster 7y ago
  And you're how the system should work. I grew up to middle class parents but was largely in the same situation, except my parents had nothing to help with. Multiple bankruptcies, a failed business, and marital problems eventually led to my childhood home being foreclosed on. I've seen both wealthy and poor alike game the system. It's frustrating, especially when the hard times are from their own poor decision making. One family I knew could have entirely paid off their home, bought a modest used vehicle the desperately needed, and saved some money for college. They blew it on giving it away to friends and family vacations. Their car fell apart and their home was foreclosed on, their children were forced to drop out of college all because they made poor decisions and refused any attempts at listening to the warning we tried to offer then that they were making poor decisions. These were people below the poverty line. If they'd waited a single year they would have been able to have it all with what they and from paying off their mortgage. By no means am I claiming to be perfect financially. We moved before we were ready because the neighbors we'd previously been close with became resentful as our financial situation improved beyond theirs. They would do really insane things, burning trash in their yards immediately after we washed our cars to get our cars covered in ash, putting a floodlight directly into our bedroom that would go off randomly at night, blocking our driveway. We bought a house below what we could have in a moderately nice, but not upscale neighborhood. It took us months of searching for the right house. I have to drive a bit farther for work when I can't work from home, but saving thousands a year in mortgage payments and living in what we've made our dream home is worth it to us. People like you are what makes the system better. Putting in the work and earning it. I bet you're awesome at what you do.
Rapzid 7y ago
Yup, knew parents of good friends and my own that would help a little in a dire pinch but the expectation was to get scholarships and/or work through college for it. Makes sense particularly if you consider a family with 3 or more kids. I make good money but I ain't got half a million dollars to throw at Universities..
- souprock 7y ago
  I've a dozen kids, so yeah... As far as I can tell, the FAFSA is a bait-and-switch. You're enticed with grants and scholarships, but all you get is inadequate loans. I have never met anybody who got the grants and scholarships. Perhaps it works if you are an independent student. For that you must do one of the following: wait until you are 24, get married, serve in the military, have a kid, go into foster care, or have your parents both die.

cannonedhamster 7y ago

There were private funds as well as public funds. If you and I both contribute into pot of money for the poor, your don't get to have your children claim it back by saying the homeless person that should be getting that money is their guardian. These people are cheating instead of the harder thing of going to community college and then transferring to a 4 year college or simply not having 6 children which they couldn't afford to provide college educations for if that was important to them. It's not as though when get conceived of a child 18 years ago this trend wasn't fully in swing. They chose to buy an expensive house and send their other children to expensive colleges. Now they are abusing the system because things got hard. I didn't get a dime of money from my parents. I joined the military and worked a full time job at night in a factory while going to school full time during the day. This person is just the child of rich parents who are used to not working for anything. What have they taught their child? They are without an ethical core and should be called out for it.

djrobstep 7y ago

"Their taxes" doesn't make sense as your tax liability by definition does not belong to you. Tax is money owed in return for government services such as property law enforcement, without which nobody could own any property at all.

astrange 7y ago

In California people voted themselves Prop 13 so they'd stop having to pay for schools. College was free before then; now it isn't, and your K12 schools have to start foundations and constantly harass people into donating.

rasz 7y ago
Those poor poor Cali colleges. University of California, Los Angeles/Endowment 5 billion USD
- TheCoelacanth 7y ago
  That size of an endowment gives them about $4,500 per student per year, so hardly enough to cover the full cost of a education. For comparison, Harvard has an 8x larger endowment for half the number of students.