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Have you seen the US lately? We're en route to undoing Roe v Wade, the Civil Rights Act, years of progress on other matters, etc, and we've already basically gi

Have you seen the US lately? We're en route to undoing Roe v Wade, the Civil Rights Act, years of progress on other matters, etc, and we've already basically given up on functional democracy by allowing corporations to spend as much as they want on candidates. What do they say about those in glass houses...?

ApolloFortyNine 7y ago
The female lawyer who defended a woman who refused to wear a hijab was sentenced to 38 years in prison and 148 lashes. [1] Homosexuality is punishable by death. [2] Please don't act like the problems you see in the U.S are the same problems they have in Iran. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/she-defended-iranian-women-who-removed-their-hijabs-now-shes-been-given-38-years-in-prison/2019/03/17/b1720fea-45b1-11e9-aaf8-4512a6fe3439_story.html?utm_term=.dbb3b95bf7dc https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/she-... [2] https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/06/14/countries-where-being-gay-is-legally-punishable-by-death/39574685/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/06/14/countries-wh...
- ashelmire 7y ago
  Sure, we're not as bad as them. We do most of our state-sponsored murder and oppression outside of the country. Yet, we do have infants in concentration camps / prisons / whatever you'd like to call them. Black lives matter has been and remains a relevant calling because our police are not held accountable for extrajudicial killings of black people (or any people, for that matter). And we still have many in prison for crimes like... smoking a plant, or just jailed with little evidence by a broken system. These situations are approximately as absurd and oppressive as what you've mentioned, though it's best not to get out measuring sticks for levels of oppression.
- sixQuarks 7y ago
  Don't forget it was the US that destroyed Iran's democracy in 1953, installed a puppet dictator, leading to the islamic revolution we see today.
raxxorrax 7y ago
In the US the backlash is unfortunate but explainable. While conservatives could probably have been convinced with data that liberation did in fact not increase abortion cases and showing that prohibition doesn't stop them either while just increasing suffering, a lot of liberal proponents put some twitter nut jobs at the forefront of the discussion. Or maybe conservative media just put them in the spotlight. That is my impression at least. The result is predictably bad. I don't know how that abortion topic came up in the first place, but here we are. Money in politics is a serious problem. Obama was very honest about that. While basically being bankrolled by citybank, he made that fact clear multiple times and basically asked for people holding their representatives accountable. Obviously that doesn't seem so easy. But all that doesn't really compare to the theocratic rules the Iranian regime implemented. That is on a whole other level.

ApolloFortyNine 7y ago

The female lawyer who defended a woman who refused to wear a hijab was sentenced to 38 years in prison and 148 lashes. [1] Homosexuality is punishable by death. [2] Please don't act like the problems you see in the U.S are the same problems they have in Iran. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/she-defended-iranian-women-who-removed-their-hijabs-now-shes-been-given-38-years-in-prison/2019/03/17/b1720fea-45b1-11e9-aaf8-4512a6fe3439_story.html?utm_term=.dbb3b95bf7dc https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/she-... [2] https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/06/14/countries-where-being-gay-is-legally-punishable-by-death/39574685/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/06/14/countries-wh...

ashelmire 7y ago
Sure, we're not as bad as them. We do most of our state-sponsored murder and oppression outside of the country. Yet, we do have infants in concentration camps / prisons / whatever you'd like to call them. Black lives matter has been and remains a relevant calling because our police are not held accountable for extrajudicial killings of black people (or any people, for that matter). And we still have many in prison for crimes like... smoking a plant, or just jailed with little evidence by a broken system. These situations are approximately as absurd and oppressive as what you've mentioned, though it's best not to get out measuring sticks for levels of oppression.
sixQuarks 7y ago
Don't forget it was the US that destroyed Iran's democracy in 1953, installed a puppet dictator, leading to the islamic revolution we see today.

raxxorrax 7y ago

In the US the backlash is unfortunate but explainable. While conservatives could probably have been convinced with data that liberation did in fact not increase abortion cases and showing that prohibition doesn't stop them either while just increasing suffering, a lot of liberal proponents put some twitter nut jobs at the forefront of the discussion. Or maybe conservative media just put them in the spotlight. That is my impression at least. The result is predictably bad. I don't know how that abortion topic came up in the first place, but here we are. Money in politics is a serious problem. Obama was very honest about that. While basically being bankrolled by citybank, he made that fact clear multiple times and basically asked for people holding their representatives accountable. Obviously that doesn't seem so easy. But all that doesn't really compare to the theocratic rules the Iranian regime implemented. That is on a whole other level.