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If Crimea was unwillingly annexed by Russia, then the sanction is punishing the victim instead of the criminal. If Crimea people genuinely supported the unifica
by majia 7y ago
If Crimea was unwillingly annexed by Russia, then the sanction is punishing the victim instead of the criminal. If Crimea people genuinely supported the unification with Russia and received sanction for that, then it is a blatant attack on Crimean people's freedom.
- PunchTornado 7y agopff, ridiculous comment. a region doesn't have the right to attach itself to another state. think about it. a bunch of russians move to somewhere near grand canion, do a referendum and then proclaim it russian territory.
- dijit 7y agoThere aren't many examples of Unification, but there are examples, maybe this wouldn't be considered one of them. My home country for instance is the "United Kingdom" which is made of up of countries/territories that unified many hundreds of years ago. There's other examples such as the formation of Italy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_unification https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_unification However, if it's not annexation it's probably better described as "ceding"; an American example: France ceded Louisiana to the United States by the treaty of Paris, of April 30, 1803. Spain made a cession of East and West Florida by the treaty of February 22, 1819. Cessions have been severally made of a part of their territory by New York, Virginia, Massachusetts, Connecticut, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Georgia.
- galangalalgol 7y agounified is a proper term perhaps but at the time the gaelic speaking peoples would have probably used conquered or maybe colonized.
- dijit 7y agoThis is not an appreciable understanding of history. If talking about the UK specifically.
- MatekCopatek 7y agoBut that's _literally_ how a bunch of countries split from other countries. In a different context, we might celebrate it and call it "gaining independence" or "reuniting with their motherland".
- rbg246 7y agoIsn't that how Texas became part of the US?
- rndgermandude 7y agoIndeed, tell King George about it, and at the very least return Texas to Mexico and Mexico to Spain.
- viraptor 7y agoYou're totally right. Think about it, British/French/Spanish/... move to somewhere near grand canyon, do a referendum and they proclaim it United States? Ridiculous!
- swebs 7y agoHey, it happened before https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas#Statehood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas#Statehood
- gdy 7y agoCrimea is a special case: it used to be Russian but was reassigned to the Ukraine at the time when they both were part of the USSR. It wasn't a big deal until the USSR dissolved and suddenly Crimean residents turned out to be in a foreign country.
- geoka9 7y agoIt had been Turkish before it was Russian. Should we go on? Besides, the indigenous population (Crimean Tatars) and the Ukrainians in Crimea never thought of Ukraine as a foreign country.
- gdy 7y agoLet's not confuse events of the 18th century and the modern history. Crimea was called Crimean Khanate at that time and the backbone of its economy was the slave trade. As a major slave trade hub it has seen many hundreds of thousands of Russians and Ukrainians captured by Crimean Tatars and sold to Turkey until Catherine the Great's counter-terrorist operation finally put an end to it in 1783 :) This dramatic history rooted in inability of the Crimean Khanate peacefully coexist with Russia can hardly be compared with a single action of a Soviet bureaucrat in Moscow in 1954. And you are misinformed, Crimeans Tatars are not the indigenous population, they are a remnant of the Golden Horde.
- geoka9 7y ago> Let's not confuse events of 18th century and the modern history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tatars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deportation_of_the_Crimean_Tat...
- gdy 7y agoAre you and 'tomohawk' the same person? Otherwise I don't see a reason why you have brought up 'ethnic cleansing' in this thread. Nonetheless, the deportation of Crimean Tatars by Stalin in 1944 is a crime and has been repeatedly recognized as such by the modern Russia. "Most of the Russian population in Crimea are second/third generation settlers" Even the biased Wikipedia article you linked to doesn't support that. Edit: please don't edit your comments after they have a reply. Thank you.
- empath75 7y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Revolution
- odiroot 7y agoThis was basically Kosovo, Transnistria and probably a few more.
- tallanvor 7y agoThe idea is to try and make it unsustainable for Russia to hold. --They have to pour money into the region to keep control of it due to people in the region being unhappy, out of work, etc. I'm not saying it's necessarily a good strategy, mind you.
- swiley 7y agoThat’s horrible. I was unaware of this until now and I’m deeply upset by it. :(
- asenk 7y agoWhat do you then suggest? Going to war about it, or just letting territorial annexations continue? If you have no better alternative, what reason is there to be upset?
- IceWreck 7y ago> They have to pour money into the region to keep control of it due to people in the region being unhappy, out of work, etc. From what I've heard Russia is doing exactly that. And the people there seem happy, atleast according to a reddit AMA by a Crimean.
- geoka9 7y agoSave for the indigenous Crimean Tatars and some Ukrainians who are, although a minority, being harassed like there's no tomorrow. https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/11/14/crimea-persecution-crimean-tatars-intensifies https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/11/14/crimea-persecution-crime...
- arcticfox 7y ago> And the people there seem happy, atleast according to a reddit AMA by a Crimean. It's amazing to me that anyone would put any faith in a random AMA in an occupied territory. For an alternative random redditor, this guy had to get divorced, all his friends left, and he's leaving for Kiev: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/9p6d9r/serious_redditors_living_in_crimea_how_has_life/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/9p6d9r/serious_r...
- marcosdumay 7y agoThe only situation when economics sanctions isn't an attack against the victims is if a fully democratic country decided to start a war.
- dsfyu404ed 7y agoSome dictators are popular and their actions are supported by the people.
- k_bx 7y agoYeah, tell that to all my friends who had to leave the Crimea. "Voting" after the Russian armed forces had been brought is not significant.
- tomohawk 7y agoYou mean eastern Ukraine? Russians came in and installed an illegal regime. Add in some ethnic cleansing, and the situation is not remotely what you claim. Add in downing of MH17 airliner, and its obvious they pose a danger to all of us. There's a lot of whataboutism going on in this thread, but it is clear that these sanctions exist for reasons, and for Crimea, those are pretty solid reasons. The whataboutisms about what other countries may or may not have done is immaterial. If you want to put some people who happen to live in the crimean region who cannot access and internet service in the same category as downing an airliner and ethnic cleansing, good luck.
- dennisgorelik 7y agoThe victim in Crimea annexation is Budapest Memorandum (1994) that protected Ukrainian territorial integrity in exchange for Ukraine giving up nuclear weapons. The United States (and other western countries) are concerned that Crimea annexation encourages nuclear weapons proliferation. Sanctions against Crimea discourage potential annexations and lower chances of nuclear weapons proliferation in the future. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Securit...