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I know lots of Iranian people and they are universally kind generous lovely people. I hate the way Iran is demonized so politicians can point out an enemy. We

I know lots of Iranian people and they are universally kind generous lovely people. I hate the way Iran is demonized so politicians can point out an enemy. We were flat out lied to about Iraq. Demonization of Iran is no different.

ausbah 7y ago
It's more like the Iranian government.
- tapia 7y ago
  Not like the US government is any better right now
  - newshorts 7y ago
    Trump just needs a war to be in by election time...
  - fit2rule 7y ago
    At no point in the last 40 years has the US government held a higher moral ground than the Iranian government. The USA has killed far more innocent people under far worse pretext than any other nation on Earth.
  - raxxorrax 7y ago
    As long as the government just calls people names instead of invading them, I am completely fine with that. Progress, I guess.
    - lawn 7y ago
      Because the US government hasn't invaded other countries...? Of course they call it something different, but they do tend to start wars periodically. For flimsy reasons.
      - raxxorrax 7y ago
        Not lately at least. While I think Lybia was a big mistake, I tend to blame France more than the US. Iraq, Uganda, Somalia and Yemen are the wars the US is involved in to my knowledge, some of them not actively anymore. Say what you will about Trump. Him not starting wars seem to be an exception, although I don't think Obama is responsible for the Lybia situation. Politically perhaps as he omitted congress, but I still wouldn't call it a war that he started. Hell, Gaddafi was air-striking civilians. The African Union was against foreign intervention and today civilians probably suffer more than under the regime of Gaddafi. Hard so say what would have been the right thing to do. We still feel the repercussions of that...
  - driverdan 7y ago
    The US government is executing people for being homosexual and imprisoning women for being individuals? Really??
    - tapia 7y ago
      Of course they don't do that. However, that is certainly not the reason why the relations are so bad. The US government has absolutely no problem in having very good relations with government/regimes that do those things and worse (Saudi Arabia?). The thing is that whenever a country decides to do something that the USA don't like, they begin hostilities in different levels until they a) get what they want (almost never happens) or b) completely destabilize the country.
raxxorrax 7y ago
Irans government is pretty backwards. The Iranian society is and was much more open a few decades ago. Truly a sad story of development in the completely wrong direction.
- ashelmire 7y ago
  Have you seen the US lately? We're en route to undoing Roe v Wade, the Civil Rights Act, years of progress on other matters, etc, and we've already basically given up on functional democracy by allowing corporations to spend as much as they want on candidates. What do they say about those in glass houses...?
  - ApolloFortyNine 7y ago
    The female lawyer who defended a woman who refused to wear a hijab was sentenced to 38 years in prison and 148 lashes. [1] Homosexuality is punishable by death. [2] Please don't act like the problems you see in the U.S are the same problems they have in Iran. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/she-defended-iranian-women-who-removed-their-hijabs-now-shes-been-given-38-years-in-prison/2019/03/17/b1720fea-45b1-11e9-aaf8-4512a6fe3439_story.html?utm_term=.dbb3b95bf7dc https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/she-... [2] https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/06/14/countries-where-being-gay-is-legally-punishable-by-death/39574685/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/06/14/countries-wh...
    - ashelmire 7y ago
      Sure, we're not as bad as them. We do most of our state-sponsored murder and oppression outside of the country. Yet, we do have infants in concentration camps / prisons / whatever you'd like to call them. Black lives matter has been and remains a relevant calling because our police are not held accountable for extrajudicial killings of black people (or any people, for that matter). And we still have many in prison for crimes like... smoking a plant, or just jailed with little evidence by a broken system. These situations are approximately as absurd and oppressive as what you've mentioned, though it's best not to get out measuring sticks for levels of oppression.

ausbah 7y ago

It's more like the Iranian government.

tapia 7y ago
Not like the US government is any better right now
- newshorts 7y ago
  Trump just needs a war to be in by election time...
- fit2rule 7y ago
  At no point in the last 40 years has the US government held a higher moral ground than the Iranian government. The USA has killed far more innocent people under far worse pretext than any other nation on Earth.
- raxxorrax 7y ago
  As long as the government just calls people names instead of invading them, I am completely fine with that. Progress, I guess.
  - lawn 7y ago
    Because the US government hasn't invaded other countries...? Of course they call it something different, but they do tend to start wars periodically. For flimsy reasons.
    - raxxorrax 7y ago
      Not lately at least. While I think Lybia was a big mistake, I tend to blame France more than the US. Iraq, Uganda, Somalia and Yemen are the wars the US is involved in to my knowledge, some of them not actively anymore. Say what you will about Trump. Him not starting wars seem to be an exception, although I don't think Obama is responsible for the Lybia situation. Politically perhaps as he omitted congress, but I still wouldn't call it a war that he started. Hell, Gaddafi was air-striking civilians. The African Union was against foreign intervention and today civilians probably suffer more than under the regime of Gaddafi. Hard so say what would have been the right thing to do. We still feel the repercussions of that...
- driverdan 7y ago
  The US government is executing people for being homosexual and imprisoning women for being individuals? Really??
  - tapia 7y ago
    Of course they don't do that. However, that is certainly not the reason why the relations are so bad. The US government has absolutely no problem in having very good relations with government/regimes that do those things and worse (Saudi Arabia?). The thing is that whenever a country decides to do something that the USA don't like, they begin hostilities in different levels until they a) get what they want (almost never happens) or b) completely destabilize the country.

raxxorrax 7y ago

Irans government is pretty backwards. The Iranian society is and was much more open a few decades ago. Truly a sad story of development in the completely wrong direction.

ashelmire 7y ago
Have you seen the US lately? We're en route to undoing Roe v Wade, the Civil Rights Act, years of progress on other matters, etc, and we've already basically given up on functional democracy by allowing corporations to spend as much as they want on candidates. What do they say about those in glass houses...?
- ApolloFortyNine 7y ago
  The female lawyer who defended a woman who refused to wear a hijab was sentenced to 38 years in prison and 148 lashes. [1] Homosexuality is punishable by death. [2] Please don't act like the problems you see in the U.S are the same problems they have in Iran. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/she-defended-iranian-women-who-removed-their-hijabs-now-shes-been-given-38-years-in-prison/2019/03/17/b1720fea-45b1-11e9-aaf8-4512a6fe3439_story.html?utm_term=.dbb3b95bf7dc https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/she-... [2] https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/06/14/countries-where-being-gay-is-legally-punishable-by-death/39574685/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/06/14/countries-wh...
  - ashelmire 7y ago
    Sure, we're not as bad as them. We do most of our state-sponsored murder and oppression outside of the country. Yet, we do have infants in concentration camps / prisons / whatever you'd like to call them. Black lives matter has been and remains a relevant calling because our police are not held accountable for extrajudicial killings of black people (or any people, for that matter). And we still have many in prison for crimes like... smoking a plant, or just jailed with little evidence by a broken system. These situations are approximately as absurd and oppressive as what you've mentioned, though it's best not to get out measuring sticks for levels of oppression.