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I find it interesting that income more than tripled compared to the previous year's quarter, but their effective tax rate dropped from 24 percent to 18.
by mykowebhn 7y ago
I find it interesting that income more than tripled compared to the previous year's quarter, but their effective tax rate dropped from 24 percent to 18.
- ttlei 7y agoThanks to trump's tax cut.
- tsunamifury 7y agoWhy is that interesting? Corp tax rates are flat, not progressive and there was a significant change last year.
- Ididntdothis 7y agoProgressive corporate taxes seem like a good idea to discourage companies from growing too big.
- dgellow 7y agoWhy would we want that? Does anyone want to discourage companies from growing?
- headsoup 7y agoI think the key words there were 'too big,' not 'growing.'
- rongenre 7y agoWhy would someone want companies to grow to dominance where their size becomes leverage in itself? I'd rather have rich set of alternatives.
- tonyedgecombe 7y agoIt’s an interesting idea, imagine the smallest viable size for a computer manufacturer is $10 million, then after that start applying progressively higher taxes to discourage market domination and encourage competition. I don’t think it would work but there is some appeal to it.
- bduerst 7y agoYou would get a string of shell computer manufacturers making $10 million a year, because rational actors will exploit whatever rule you put in.
- Ididntdothis 7y agoI think there is a point where a company accumulates too much power through its sheer size and further growth is not desirable. I would argue google and others have reached that point.
- TeMPOraL 7y agoMarket economy is like fuel combustion - it's only valuable to society if controlled. You want the combustion to happen to drive the things that matter (wealth and happiness of the society), but you don't want it to get out of control. You want a wealth-generating engine, not a raging gasoline fire.
- idoh 7y agoGoogle feels more like a wealth-generating engine than a raging gasoline fire. Why would you want to dial that back?
- addicted 7y agoI don't get this. Who thinks "I made $61 after tax profit on the last $100 of profits but I will only make $59 profit on the next $100 so I'm gonna chooAe to not make that $59 after tax money. This is a genuine question. Is there any research or evidence that shows that increasing taxes on profits (which is what corporate taxes are) reduces pre tax profits in the US (I'm restricting to the US because it's possible other places have had more ridiculous njmbwrs, even leading to greater than 100% taxes). This isn't a rhetorical question. The same applies to progressive income tax, but I know someone who actually did choose to forego additional income but it waS someone who didn't understand progressive taxes and thought the headline figure apuwd to their entire income instead of the marginal income. I'm assuming reasonably sized companies aren't that stupid.
- joshuamorton 7y agoI tend to agree with you. To play devil's advocate, assume you are Google or Apple. You have (quite literally) 100 Billion dollars in cash equivalent securities sitting around. You could do what amazon does and reinvest those into the business, but there is risk, and decreasing returns on that. Alternatively, you could just invest that money (in which case its not profit, so taxed differently, I believe), or you could pay your employees more. Those second two are, in the long run, potentially worse for investors. Is that good or bad? Unclear. Is that even how the calculus works? Unclear. Is this line of reasoning obviously wrong? No.
- scohesc 7y agoThen you make a bunch of loosely related subsidiaries that do the same thing (see the canadian wireless market) but are owned by the same large company.
- adventured 7y agoQuarterly income tax rates are particularly not very interesting, they're prone to all sorts of blips. Their 2018 income tax rate was 11% for the year. $4.1b in income taxes and $34.9b in pre-tax income. In 2016 it was 19%. In 2015 it was 16.8%. In 2014 it was 21%.
- siliconviking 7y agoYou need to adjust for the $5B EU fine from last year.