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Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe
- reddotX 7y agofrench fries X-(
- nycip1 7y agoIt will feel more like home to the current inhabitants of Paris
- sctb 7y agoWe've banned this throwaway as well as your main account.
- Balgair 7y agoAside: Thanks for doing so. These 6 char throwaways are getting crazy recently, or maybe this is just me.
- nycip1 7y agoDid you report me to Goolag too? Intelligent people left HN long time ago. I didn't even bother to create the throwaway from incognito to not taint the IP bc my "main" account is zero value: I quit HN half a year ago. For two reasons: the crowd became too stupid and for your political bias. And my last bit of help to HN (although you don't need help with your billions, but I ran a bootstrapped company with 30+ million users): I not only quit posting but actually started shitposting because I was a productive community member, but my interactions with dang, heavy handed moderation of long time members actually angered me. I have the direct email of Daniel that Sam Altman gave me at some point, but I would rather respond here.
- henrik_w 7y agoNo mention of climate change in the article.
- lgeorget 7y agoArguably, it's better that way. Confusing meteorology with climatology is the favourite fallacy of climatosceptics. EDIT: Replaced "argument" by "fallacy"
- TallGuyShort 7y agoExample: across much of the US in the last few years there have been record colds because of polar vortexes. A few weeks of record colds doesn't negate climate change. A few weeks of record heat isn't the proof of it either. I keep saying that ocean acidification needs to be the forefront of the argument more. The data is so much clearer and dramatic that it's so much harder to deny the harm being done by greenhouse gases. "It's hot today" is a terrible way to start a discussion with someone who doesn't believe in global warming, just like "it snowed today" is a terrible counter-argument from them.
- coldpie 7y ago> Example: across much of the US in the last few years there have been record colds because of polar vortexes. A few weeks of record colds doesn't negate climate change. A few weeks of record heat isn't the proof of it either. I don't know about these polar vortexes in particular, but climate change predicts wider swings in both directions, as there is more energy in the system. In other words, the vortex would not have gone as far south if it had had less energy.
- TallGuyShort 7y agoExactly - there's still plenty of people calling it "global warming" mocking people who don't understand or believe the science. We've hit the point where most (or at least more) people agree with the conclusions of the scientific consensus, but they don't remotely understand it, and they're mocking other people who don't understand it, and all we're achieving is getting a bunch of strawman arguments out there that are easy to discredit. If I may share a simpler analog, it's like when I see people on social media mocking flat-earthers and saying, "how do you think cell phones work if satellites aren't real?" Okay - you agree the earth is near-spherical. That's great. But your lack of actual understanding just gave the flat-earthers a chance to point out that cell phones don't actually use orbiting satellites, make you look like you don't know what you're talking about, and win the argument. Now somebody who also doesn't understand is questioning the scientific consensus even more strongly.
- geddy 7y agoWe're seeing record shattering temperatures in different parts of the world a lot this yet - yet the article doesn't even mention climate change. As long as we keep shoveling meat into our faces 5x per day and the population keeps expanding at break-neck rate, we have massive heatwaves and endless storms to look forward to. And then that road will come to an end, and it won't be pretty.
- _Microft 7y agoYou're right about the meat but peak population growth rate was 50 years ago. See: https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2013/05/Updated-World-Population-Growth-Rate-Annual-1950-2100.png https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2013/05/Updated-World-Pop...
- qntty 7y agoRate could also mean people/year instead of %/year.
- darepublic 7y agoI guess editorializing on the causes of weather trends is not within the scope of AccuWeather?
- aaronbrethorst 7y agoOr that the family that runs Accuweather has been deeply enmeshed with the party of climate denialism for the past few decades. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-14/trump-s-pick-to-lead-weather-agency-spent-30-years-fighting-it https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-14/trump-s-p...
- gilbetron 7y agoNot only broke it, destroyed it: +2.2C (+4.0F). That's incredible, in a terrifying, "well, I guess this is going to happen" kind of way.
- stirfrykitty 7y agoMeanwhile here in Texas, that level of heat is business as usual. I get that most places in the EU don't have aircon, as they rarely need it, barring southern EU, which I have spent considerable amounts of time in. I far prefer the misty moors of England over anything with tons of sun. Having grown up in Europe, I do prefer their weather when it's normal for them. If only I could convince my wife to move somewhere with a proper 4 seasons rather than this hideous backwater of heat and humidity.
- tsneed290 7y agoA major difference is most Texans make use of air conditioning. Paris largely does not.
- stirfrykitty 7y agoAnd I mentioned same in my statement above. The entire lower half of the US would be largely unlivable without aircon. Even Alaska get 90+ in the summer, albeit for short bursts.
- hestipod 7y agoGrowing up in the US then living for quite some time in Europe it was initially weird for me to not see AC everywhere, but I quickly realized it was much more comfortable for me. Something about being in a cold building and then going out into a swamp heater just makes it more miserable. Maybe its slow acclimation or some subjective thing.
- stirfrykitty 7y agoNot really acclimation, but willingness to suffer through it. I hate it when my children want to play outside because I'm out there for less than five minutes and my shirt is soaked through with sweat, it's unbearably hot, and the insects are legion. When I leave work in the late afternoon, it's so hot my car takes 10 minutes to cool down to where it's comfortable inside. By then my Right Guard has gone left and I'm having cold air blowing on wet skin. It really does suck.
- kcseg 7y agoEvery day two or three articles like this one reach the front page. I guess they are upvoted by people who want to feel good about themselves. "There are some people out there who don't believe in climate change. Let's upvote this to show how enlightened I am". Because, otherwise, what's the point on having these "summer is hotter than it used to be" articles all day up?
- jandrese 7y agoI dunno. Maybe we could start trying to do something about it? If you hate these "damn it's even hotter now" messages maybe you could take steps to fix the underlying issue?
- benreesman 7y agoEh, I’m not a huge fan of no-op virtue signaling myself, but this site has an influential readership (I imagine the odd billionaire or two drops by once in awhile even) so until the consensus becomes “we’re doing everything we can about this” it probably isn’t the worst thing for it to stay top of mind with this audience. YMMV.
- wongarsu 7y agoOr maybe it's Europeans sweating in 40°C heat (>100°F) without AC. >Because, otherwise, what's the point on having these "summer is hotter than it used to be" articles all day up? Maybe let's do something about it or it will only get worse?
- kcseg 7y agoI live in Southern Europe and >40 degrees is the normal and has always been the normal. I am not particularly preoccupied, myself.
- b_tterc_p 7y agoDo heatwaves pose a threat to local fauna and flora?
- boudewijnrempt 7y agoYes, irrepairable damage in fact. And it's already done near where I live, in the eastern part of the Netherlands
- xyzzy_plugh 7y agoYes, they can be devistating to agriculture as well. Animals are just as susceptible to heat stroke and dehydration. Plants are of course similarly susceptible to extreme temperatures. There are tactics farmers can apply such as coating their crops but there are limits.
- atourgates 7y agoThis is highly dependent on the crop, and when in the plant's growth cycle the heat comes. For example, crops like wheat benefit from a hot dry period when they get close to harvest time. Same for some vegetables like tomatoes, peppers and eggplant. The challenge isn't so much that high heat (to an extent) and agriculture is incompatible, it's that unexpected high-heat, or high heat at unexpected times can be damaging. Don't think that I'm downplaying the risk of climate change to agriculture, there are plenty of very serious negative effects that climate change will have on agriculture, but warmer temperatures on their own, at least at this range, aren't directly a huge issue if they're expected.
- saalweachter 7y agoOne thing that should worry you in particular is that there is a temperature range photosynthesis happens in, and that temperature range ends at about 40C. This isn't necessarily an immediate problem for plants, because plants store extra calories generated from photosynthesis for future use, and when the temperature is too hot they can switch from photosynthesis to respiration, consuming their stored sugars for energy. During this time, plants become net producers of CO2 instead of net consumers, taking in oxygen, burning their sugars (in the same slow chemical burn we use) and releasing the CO2 at the end. This is an immediate concern for us, because those stored calories are what we wanted to eat. Plants may survive higher temperatures, but they produce fewer stored calories in the form of delicious fruits, vegetables and grains for us to eat. Climate change is complicated for agriculture, but extra days above (or close to) 40C is just bad, bad, bad.
- vbuwivbiu 7y agoClimate Crisis Any news source that reports "record-breaking temperatures" is, deliberately or not, making these dangerously increasing temperatures sound like a good thing. This extreme heat is costing us $$$
- chapium 7y agoI missed the part where "deadly heat wave" was a framed as a good thing.
- vbuwivbiu 7y agothat's my point: many news sources are framing it as a good thing by not calling it what it is: a deadly heat wave
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- kbenson 7y agoNo, record-breaking means it broke a record. If it was used almost exclusively for positive things, you might have a point, but it is routinely used for negative things as well. For example, "storm" is the third most related topic based on Google trends.[1] 1: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=record-breaking&geo=US https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=record-breaking&g...
- vbuwivbiu 7y agoThere's no universal law that declares it has to be reported as such
- kareeeem 7y agoClimate change isn’t disputed by logic. It’s being disputed by the commercial entities that are protecting their $billion/$trillion industries who, otherwise, would have to face big losses. We all know the industries that are negatively impacting the environment. Their selfish stakeholders have managed to successfully create a reality distortion field of denial. This article, with lack of mentioning global warming, is proof.
- saalweachter 7y agoIt's disputed by the argument to consequences. "If climate change were happening, we would feel morally compelled to control our CO2 emissions; we don't want to control our CO2 emissions, therefore, climate change must not be happening."
- DuskStar 7y ago"If climate change was happening and a massive problem, we would be morally obligated to advocate for the most effective methods of prevention - no matter their side effects. Nuclear, geoengineering, a carbon tax, making sure that Africa never industrializes - everything would be on the table. Since we don't like those solutions, climate change must not be that large of a problem." They aren't as bad as the Republicans, but let's not try and pretend that the Democrats are particularly great either. If the Green New Deal is what they'd actually attempt to do, we're fucked.
- justin66 7y ago> If the Green New Deal is what they'd actually attempt to do, we're fucked. No, we'd be making progress toward eliminating the growth of CO2 in the atmosphere, but making it slower than if they'd also embrace nuclear power. > making sure that Africa never industrializes Is that even part of the public debate? I mean, outside of Ron Paul's newsletters or something equally crazy?
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- mettamage 7y agoPro tip for people who do not have airconditioning in their houses: 1. Go to universities 2. Go to co-working spaces Go to any place to flee the heat. I'm at my university right now, and I'm not even noticing it's as hot as it is since the airconditioning is doing an amazing job here.
- floatrock 7y agoI know you're in triage mode helping the immediately-affected get safe, but given the climate change undercurrents of all this, a statement like > I'm not even noticing it's as hot as it is since the airconditioning is doing an amazing job here. ...just leaves a frustrating and poor taste. What's powering all that air conditioning? It's not free. Get safe now, but don't lose sight that it's all inter-related.
- post_break 7y agoIf your alternative is to just stay hot, it doesn't really help. Those places will be in AC whether this person goes there or not.
- markkanof 7y agoSolar power?
- mettamage 7y agoFair point, but like a sibling comment already stated: I cannot convince my uni to stop using AC in the short-term. So then better use it. The climate change issue in the long-term is gripping me. What are we — as mostly programmers — doing about it. Why isn’t FAANG doing something? For pure problem solvers this seems like a juicy problem to sink your teeth into.
- amfsn 7y agoShopping centres. You can even have a beer! :D
- AdamJacobMuller 7y ago> French energy company EDF stated that it would shut down two nuclear reactors in an attempt to limit the amount of heating water used to keep the reactors cool at Golftech nuclear power plant. I don't see why that would be a necessary or even good thing? Surely they must have higher demand for power from AC loads with the heat, even if AC isn't quite as prevalent in the EU as the US.
- purerandomness 7y agoFrance is EU's top energy exporter [0] [0] https://www.reuters.com/article/france-electricity/french-2018-power-output-saw-its-strongest-growth-in-a-decade-idUSL5N2027GO https://www.reuters.com/article/france-electricity/french-20...
- supertrope 7y agoThey just don’t have the cooling capacity on the hottest days.
- Brakenshire 7y agoBecause reactors need a lot of water as coolant, and they were designed with assumptions about how high the temperature of the water would be, which are now being broken. They started building that reactor in 1982, before they understood that temperatures were in the process of rising 1.5C (up to now).
- nraynaud 7y agoThe more accurate answer is that to not cook everything downstream they are forbidden from releasing to hot a water. If the upstream is already hot, they have no margin to not cook the fish downstream so they close shop. (It’s a bit more complicated since it depends also on the River size, but the main factor is downstream temp.)
- Brakenshire 7y agoThanks for the correction.
- hleszek 7y agoIn 2014, there was a fake weather report to imagine what would the temperature be in 2050. https://www.rtbf.be/info/medias/detail_canicule-un-bulletin-meteo-fictif-pour-2050-se-realise-avec-30-ans-d-avance?id=10279052 https://www.rtbf.be/info/medias/detail_canicule-un-bulletin-... Seems like we are 30 years too early
- Circuits 7y agoA similar pattern emerged here in the US this summer. It won't be long before people take to the streets here in the US. I expect nothing short of full scale, city wide riots within 3 years.
- olivermarks 7y agohttp://www.weatheraction.com/resource/data/wact1/docs/PiersCorbynSWINDONisFAB220619CHALLENGEtoWARMISMafterPortoPresI.pdf http://www.weatheraction.com/resource/data/wact1/docs/PiersC... Piers Corbyn's latest (June 22nd) deck
- pjc50 7y agoPiers CORBYN is a timecube level nutcase and climate change denier.
- etrautmann 7y agowell that's disturbing but interesting to be aware of. I'm surprised that this doesn't innately trigger any reader's quack detector
- olivermarks 7y agoWe are bombarded daily with hysteria about the world ending due to climate change caused by humans. There are lots of opposing views but they are almost invariably laughed off because 'it's been decided'. I'm on the fence about Corbyn but he's serious enough to warrant attention
- rb808 7y agoI like the viewpoint that while yes its the hottest summer for the last few decades, its also the coolest summer for the next few decades.
- chewz 7y agoIt is actually pretty cold July here in Poland, after hot June. Few nights before I have used electric blanket. We have northern circulation for 4th week.
- tehjoker 7y agoCut the military and substantially cut emissions. Consumer decisions aren't up to this task: consumers accept what is sold to them, and what is sold is driven by profitability - the ability to make something that can be made exclusive and sold repeatedly. That is a requirement which walls off most good ideas and forces unlimited consumption of natural resources. https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s/2019/no-1373-january-2019/material-world-the-military-contribution-to-climate-change/ https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/2010s...
- codegrappler 7y agoFor me it’s easy to accept that climate change is happening but predicting what will unfold in the next 30-50 years seems nearly impossible. Humans have historically been bad at predicting what will happen even 20-30 years in the future. The media is even worse (https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-in...). Articles can be found from at least the sixties predicting the end of the earth in X years due to climate change. Can you really blame people for being skeptical given what they’ve been told over the years? On top of that, climate change isn’t the only existential threat that humanity faces. How do you rank its importance, and thus the level of focus and resourcing it gets, relative to other threats? I understand that we shouldn’t do nothing. I also understand that some of the extreme climate change proposals likely over estimate the magnitude of the problem.
- elcomet 7y agoI think a lot of proposals actually underestimate by far the magnitude of the problem.
- pojzon 7y agoLook at it this way. In 1970 some scientists predicted how bad climate change will influence the Earth in 50 years. 50 years passed and their predictions in some areas match current state and in some preconditions failed because they did not think it will be THAT BAD. Based on that I know it will be either what they say now or it will be way worse.. Ps. Im talking about the scientists which were hired by oil companies to create prediction maps.
- sp332 7y agoSome of that was misinformation spread by Exxon, whose scientists predicted global warming fairly well (as a global average anyway) 40 years ago. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-... So the real science is not as fickle as was reported.