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This has improved a lot even since the 80s. I remember road trips as a kid and the difficulty of finding vacant lodging. Now, there are groupings of multiple la

by abtinf 7y ago

This has improved a lot even since the 80s. I remember road trips as a kid and the difficulty of finding vacant lodging. Now, there are groupings of multiple large hotel chains with vacancy at least every couple hours, even in relatively remote parts of the country. Having driven across the US a number of times, I think the last product this isn’t true for is good quality coffee. There are still parts of America where you can travel several hundred miles without seeing a single standalone Starbucks.

mikepurvis 7y ago
In fairness, there probably is good coffee out there, you just don't have the mental shortcut of being able to depend on the Starbucks brand. I suppose this was the problem that Yelp, Foursquare, and friends tried to solve, but we're still not really there— even as a conscientious person who would on balance prefer to support a local, non-chain business, it's still a lot of effort to look up which one to go to. For anyone not willing to put in that effort (or just take a risk), forget about it— that person will just stay on the highway and wait out the next Starbucks.
- showerst 7y ago
  I'm pretty dedicated to coffee (i'd probably drive 15 minutes each way out of the way on a road trip for decent coffee), and will yelp / google aggressively if i'm the passenger. Parent is right, there are still huge stretches with neither starbucks nor indie shops of any quality, and not just in the empty bits out west.
  - panopticon 7y ago
    Maybe it's because I don't have a very high opinion of Starbucks, but there's a surprising number of those little drive-thru coffee hut things (not sure what you call them) that beat the pants off of Starbucks. Just finished up a road trip the other day that took me through the "empty bits out west" (Wyoming, Montana, Nevada), and I hit up at least 3 of them.
    - lotyrin 7y ago
      Problem is, if I'm low on decision making energy or risk tolerance I will prefer a near-guaranteed acceptable solution over a probably good but potentially awful one.
    - jandrewrogers 7y ago
      Love the espresso shacks! In addition to having very proper coffee, they are also great sources of local information if you need it. I am always astonished at how well-distributed and ubiquitous they are even in the very rural West. Every country road far off the beaten path with any sort of local traffic at all seems to have (at least) one. It is a neat bit of rural West culture. I've always wondered about the economics of espresso shacks. Obviously the fixed costs are very low, a literal shack and bit of nigh worthless rural land. Each one appears to be a unique and creative local business with no underlying corporate chain tying them all together but the sheer pervasiveness of them makes me wonder if there is a well-oiled corporate business model underneath it all.
      - Xcelerate 7y ago
        Huh, I’ve never heard of espresso shacks. They’re only on the West coast? Do you have a photo of one?
        uxp100 7y ago
        I think it's really the northwest. Oregon has em, but driving from the bay area to LA I never saw one in rural parts of central california. They might exist though.
        panopticon 7y ago
        There are a couple in and around Modesto, but yeah they really start to become rare south of that (ignoring those weird bikini coffee shacks).
        mikepurvis 7y ago
        Google does: https://www.google.com/search?q=espresso+shacks&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=espresso+shacks&tbm=isch Looks like there's a lot of crossover with the "bikini barista" concept, which I could picture being off-putting to some. I guess that's another plus for a national chain— your morning coffee isn't going to turn out to be something embarrassing to have to explain to the kids in the back seat.
dragontamer 7y ago
Pack your own coffee for long trips. Cold brew is far easier to do than you might expect. Mix ground coffee with lukewarm water in a 1:4 ratio and let it sit for 12 to 24 hours. This creates "coffee concentrate". Mix the concentrate 1:4 with water to make your final coffee. (Tweak final ratio to taste: these ratios are set to my personal taste) Even if you use cheap no-name coffee from grocery stores, the coffee tastes great. Grinding your own beans will result in fresher coffee. The purpose of "concentrate" is that "concentrate" cold brew is easier to process (less to filter), and easier to store. You can pick up bottled water virtually anywhere in the USA. So carrying around the concentrate is easier. You can also do cool things with concentrate: like make espresso (add milk instead of water), or "impromptu hot-brew" (boil some water, add the concentrate. Since you have 4:1 hot water to concentrate, your temperature will be 80% of the hot temperature). With 4:1 final mixing ratio, a quart of concentrate becomes 1.25 gallons of coffee, more than enough for most trips. ----------- "Ball" mason jars are pretty universal in the USA. I'm pretty sure they're sold everywhere (more common than quality coffee at least, lol). So you shouldn't have any issues getting mason-jar equipment for storing liquids. Just don't use their leaky white-plastic caps. Use their gray "leak proof" caps or their steel-caps if you actually want a liquid-tight seal. -------------- Alternatively, drink McDonalds coffee. Its actually not bad. I know plenty of foodies who avoid McDonalds EXCEPT for their coffee.
- daveslash 7y ago
  >>drink McDonalds coffee. Its actually not bad I'd agree with that, but with the additional comment that it depends on your region of the country. In some area's it's not just "actually not bad", I'd assert "very good". McDonald's often customizes it's menu to the local region. In New England, McDonald's serves Newman's Own coffee, which I quite enjoyed. At least, they did when I lived there a decade ago - who knows now.
- NoGravitas 7y ago
  Addendum to the "or drink McDonalds". Circle-K has very good coffee these days, and you can generally choose between several different roasts.
billfruit 7y ago
What about tea? Are there places on the American highways where you would get it?
- mjcohen 7y ago
  Carry your own tea bags or loose with a filter and ask for hot water.
- abrambleninja 7y ago
  As a big tea drinker, my solution to this when I've been on long road trips has been to use a car-outlet-powered water boiler (the coil kind). You can get them on Amazon for under $10 and they work alright. Though it's hard to do without a passenger unless you're willing to pull over and wait 10 minutes for the water to boil. And where I've driven (up the 15 from Los Angeles to Montana), there are somewhat-frequent Starbucks, though I like my own tea better.

by abtinf 7y ago

mikepurvis 7y ago

In fairness, there probably is good coffee out there, you just don't have the mental shortcut of being able to depend on the Starbucks brand. I suppose this was the problem that Yelp, Foursquare, and friends tried to solve, but we're still not really there— even as a conscientious person who would on balance prefer to support a local, non-chain business, it's still a lot of effort to look up which one to go to. For anyone not willing to put in that effort (or just take a risk), forget about it— that person will just stay on the highway and wait out the next Starbucks.

showerst 7y ago
I'm pretty dedicated to coffee (i'd probably drive 15 minutes each way out of the way on a road trip for decent coffee), and will yelp / google aggressively if i'm the passenger. Parent is right, there are still huge stretches with neither starbucks nor indie shops of any quality, and not just in the empty bits out west.
- panopticon 7y ago
  Maybe it's because I don't have a very high opinion of Starbucks, but there's a surprising number of those little drive-thru coffee hut things (not sure what you call them) that beat the pants off of Starbucks. Just finished up a road trip the other day that took me through the "empty bits out west" (Wyoming, Montana, Nevada), and I hit up at least 3 of them.
  - lotyrin 7y ago
    Problem is, if I'm low on decision making energy or risk tolerance I will prefer a near-guaranteed acceptable solution over a probably good but potentially awful one.
  - jandrewrogers 7y ago
    Love the espresso shacks! In addition to having very proper coffee, they are also great sources of local information if you need it. I am always astonished at how well-distributed and ubiquitous they are even in the very rural West. Every country road far off the beaten path with any sort of local traffic at all seems to have (at least) one. It is a neat bit of rural West culture. I've always wondered about the economics of espresso shacks. Obviously the fixed costs are very low, a literal shack and bit of nigh worthless rural land. Each one appears to be a unique and creative local business with no underlying corporate chain tying them all together but the sheer pervasiveness of them makes me wonder if there is a well-oiled corporate business model underneath it all.
    - Xcelerate 7y ago
      Huh, I’ve never heard of espresso shacks. They’re only on the West coast? Do you have a photo of one?
      - uxp100 7y ago
        I think it's really the northwest. Oregon has em, but driving from the bay area to LA I never saw one in rural parts of central california. They might exist though.
        panopticon 7y ago
        There are a couple in and around Modesto, but yeah they really start to become rare south of that (ignoring those weird bikini coffee shacks).
      - mikepurvis 7y ago
        Google does: https://www.google.com/search?q=espresso+shacks&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=espresso+shacks&tbm=isch Looks like there's a lot of crossover with the "bikini barista" concept, which I could picture being off-putting to some. I guess that's another plus for a national chain— your morning coffee isn't going to turn out to be something embarrassing to have to explain to the kids in the back seat.

dragontamer 7y ago

Pack your own coffee for long trips. Cold brew is far easier to do than you might expect. Mix ground coffee with lukewarm water in a 1:4 ratio and let it sit for 12 to 24 hours. This creates "coffee concentrate". Mix the concentrate 1:4 with water to make your final coffee. (Tweak final ratio to taste: these ratios are set to my personal taste) Even if you use cheap no-name coffee from grocery stores, the coffee tastes great. Grinding your own beans will result in fresher coffee. The purpose of "concentrate" is that "concentrate" cold brew is easier to process (less to filter), and easier to store. You can pick up bottled water virtually anywhere in the USA. So carrying around the concentrate is easier. You can also do cool things with concentrate: like make espresso (add milk instead of water), or "impromptu hot-brew" (boil some water, add the concentrate. Since you have 4:1 hot water to concentrate, your temperature will be 80% of the hot temperature). With 4:1 final mixing ratio, a quart of concentrate becomes 1.25 gallons of coffee, more than enough for most trips. ----------- "Ball" mason jars are pretty universal in the USA. I'm pretty sure they're sold everywhere (more common than quality coffee at least, lol). So you shouldn't have any issues getting mason-jar equipment for storing liquids. Just don't use their leaky white-plastic caps. Use their gray "leak proof" caps or their steel-caps if you actually want a liquid-tight seal. -------------- Alternatively, drink McDonalds coffee. Its actually not bad. I know plenty of foodies who avoid McDonalds EXCEPT for their coffee.

daveslash 7y ago
>>drink McDonalds coffee. Its actually not bad I'd agree with that, but with the additional comment that it depends on your region of the country. In some area's it's not just "actually not bad", I'd assert "very good". McDonald's often customizes it's menu to the local region. In New England, McDonald's serves Newman's Own coffee, which I quite enjoyed. At least, they did when I lived there a decade ago - who knows now.
NoGravitas 7y ago
Addendum to the "or drink McDonalds". Circle-K has very good coffee these days, and you can generally choose between several different roasts.

billfruit 7y ago

What about tea? Are there places on the American highways where you would get it?

mjcohen 7y ago
Carry your own tea bags or loose with a filter and ask for hot water.
abrambleninja 7y ago
As a big tea drinker, my solution to this when I've been on long road trips has been to use a car-outlet-powered water boiler (the coil kind). You can get them on Amazon for under $10 and they work alright. Though it's hard to do without a passenger unless you're willing to pull over and wait 10 minutes for the water to boil. And where I've driven (up the 15 from Los Angeles to Montana), there are somewhat-frequent Starbucks, though I like my own tea better.