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> Here’s how it works: If the woman in the bathrobe had tipped zero, DoorDash would have paid me the whole $6.85. Because she tipped $3, DoorDash kicked in only

> Here’s how it works: If the woman in the bathrobe had tipped zero, DoorDash would have paid me the whole $6.85. Because she tipped $3, DoorDash kicked in only $3.85. She was saving DoorDash $3, not tipping me. But that is tipping. A waiter makes $7.25 an hour. If they receive $2 in tips, the business only has to pay them $5.25 for that hour instead. There is a lower limit (around $2, I forget the exact amount), and tipping over that limit goes to the employee, but any tips under that limit effectively go to the company.

mullingitover 7y ago
> A waiter makes $7.25 an hour. If they receive $2 in tips, the business only has to pay them $5.25 for that hour instead. This is false. Only a subset of states allow this corrupt practice, here's a handy list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage#State_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage#State_law
- bena 7y ago
  He was saying that's how it effectively works, and he's right. The federal minimum wage for tipped employees is $2-ish with the caveat that if an employee isn't making on average $7.25 for the pay period when factoring in tips, the employer is legally obligated to make up the difference. So if an employee's tips average out to the difference between tipped minimum wage and regular minimum wage, then all you've done is save the restaurant money. The employee was going to get that amount regardless. It's only when the tipped amount exceeds the difference on average does the employee come out ahead.
- SkyBelow 7y ago
  I counted only 7 states where it is not true based on the state laws and 1 state where it was not true for large employees. It is generally true in most states in practice, and is how tipping works per federal laws. I should have probably have mentioned I was speaking to the federal law and local/state/city laws can work differently in some areas.
  - mullingitover 7y ago
    Exactly, 43 states are a subset of 50.
    - SkyBelow 7y ago
      I feel like we are getting a bit deep in semantics now. Even if it was true in all 50 states, we could claim it is true in only a subset of those 50 states since a set containing all 50 states is a subset of itself. Had the claim been a proper subset instead, this wouldn't have been the case. And even if it was true in all 50 states and all smaller governments therein, one could claim it as false because some businesses have to run under franchise rules that disallow the practice. I think such a sentence should be interpreted as talking about the general case of what is acceptable (acceptable in that people do not hold nearly an equivalent level of protest at the federal law on tipping and on organizations that follow it or state level varieties that allow a similar practice as they do for DoorDash's practice).
      - mullingitover 7y ago
        Fair. However, painting tip theft (I'm just calling it what it is) as the norm nationwide is wildly inaccurate. For example, it's a crime to do this on the entire west coast.

mullingitover 7y ago

> A waiter makes $7.25 an hour. If they receive $2 in tips, the business only has to pay them $5.25 for that hour instead. This is false. Only a subset of states allow this corrupt practice, here's a handy list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage#State_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipped_wage#State_law

bena 7y ago
He was saying that's how it effectively works, and he's right. The federal minimum wage for tipped employees is $2-ish with the caveat that if an employee isn't making on average $7.25 for the pay period when factoring in tips, the employer is legally obligated to make up the difference. So if an employee's tips average out to the difference between tipped minimum wage and regular minimum wage, then all you've done is save the restaurant money. The employee was going to get that amount regardless. It's only when the tipped amount exceeds the difference on average does the employee come out ahead.
SkyBelow 7y ago
I counted only 7 states where it is not true based on the state laws and 1 state where it was not true for large employees. It is generally true in most states in practice, and is how tipping works per federal laws. I should have probably have mentioned I was speaking to the federal law and local/state/city laws can work differently in some areas.
- mullingitover 7y ago
  Exactly, 43 states are a subset of 50.
  - SkyBelow 7y ago
    I feel like we are getting a bit deep in semantics now. Even if it was true in all 50 states, we could claim it is true in only a subset of those 50 states since a set containing all 50 states is a subset of itself. Had the claim been a proper subset instead, this wouldn't have been the case. And even if it was true in all 50 states and all smaller governments therein, one could claim it as false because some businesses have to run under franchise rules that disallow the practice. I think such a sentence should be interpreted as talking about the general case of what is acceptable (acceptable in that people do not hold nearly an equivalent level of protest at the federal law on tipping and on organizations that follow it or state level varieties that allow a similar practice as they do for DoorDash's practice).
    - mullingitover 7y ago
      Fair. However, painting tip theft (I'm just calling it what it is) as the norm nationwide is wildly inaccurate. For example, it's a crime to do this on the entire west coast.