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Hi, I'm the CEO of Scale.ai. This comment does not represent the company's viewpoint, and cardigan is not speaking on behalf of Scale. We are very excited to

by ayw 7y ago

Hi, I'm the CEO of Scale.ai. This comment does not represent the company's viewpoint, and cardigan is not speaking on behalf of Scale. We are very excited to have been able to work with Lyft in open-sourcing this dataset and advancing the research community. We are also very grateful to Lyft for choosing to leverage our point cloud viewer and have credited the annotations to us on their launch page.

mitfahrener 7y ago
Ouchy
gesman 7y ago
Gotta love HN. Good people come to comment on a minute notice!
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kerng 7y ago
Still odd Lyft doesn't credit this when posting about it.
exit 7y ago
the point cloud viewer which cardigan also had to point out was produced by someone at scale, and not nuScene? pretty inconvenient for you when workers want their efforts recognised, and not just thought of as capital for you to push around however you please, huh?
- dangero 7y ago
  That’s a strange take on this. Not all staff are authorized to speak on the company’s behalf. That’s true almost anywhere I’ve worked. Your efforts cannot always be recognized externally. NDAs and various other types of contracts commonly outline that.
  - exit 7y ago
    that's a strange response. i'm already clearly critiquing the dominant paradigm, capitalism. why would you just itemise a bunch of conventions from this paradigm, which i likely disagree with? do you need hn to be an agreeable echo chamber for you? capitalism depends on people not thinking thoroughly about the "deal" they are being drawn into. i'm here to harm this situation.
  - dmix 7y ago
    This isn’t really about employee recognition. The whole comment was about attribution for the company and marketing the partnership with Scale. Which is pretty standard in some business arrangements but which wasn’t the case here, which the employee wasn’t aware of and turned out to not that big of a deal for scale. Plenty of companies work in the background supporting other. Businesses and don’t always need attribution. OP is trying to pigeonhole this into some sort of anti capitalist diatribe by trying to make it about individual employees wanting recognition and some big evil company is treating them like invisible cogs in the machine... which doesn’t make much sense since he asked for the company itself to be attributed, not individuals. It’s up to the company to reward and recognize employee contributions, not in some 3rd party partners announcements. Plus he was always free to comment how he helped work on it or letting people know Scale had a role in helping make it (which are both common on HN). Only if the parent company tried to suppress that would this argument make any sense. But I don’t know why I’m bothering to counter such a position.
  - brianpgordon 7y ago
    I would be surprised if many people here really just assumed that a pseudonymous user chatting with us in the HN comments was speaking on behalf of the company in an official capacity. I mean, obviously there are legal niceties to be observed and he should have appended the usual disclaimers, blah blah blah, but we do have common sense here right?
    - donkeyd 7y ago
      No, people don't have common sense. People should not post publicly on behalf of their employer without running it by a manager. This is lesson one at every major corporate introduction and I now understand why, because people don't have common sense.
- dang 7y ago
  That crosses into personal attack, which is not allowed on HN, even if you are fighting the forces of capital. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
FBISurveillance 7y ago
That escalated quickly.
mkagenius 7y ago
Business should not be lost. Credit is secondary.
Cakez0r 7y ago
Under the bus they go!
atarian 7y ago
This is pretty effective marketing... generate some fake controversy over some small slight and have it go viral on HN.
- thetrainfold 7y ago
  (I work in marketing at scale) Thank you. (I don't really)
- mkagenius 7y ago
  Plot twist: Original comment was also the CEO.
rolltiide 7y ago
> I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement CEO Narrator: it was. MULTI-KILL BBBBUYOUT PPPPAAAAYDAY ACQUI-FFFFIRED
skocznymroczny 7y ago
Someone will get fired today
- friendly_chap 7y ago
  Hopefully not. Cardigan obviously is has the company's interest in mind, even if perhaps the execution is a little flawed. Cardigan has just learnt a lot about PR and also gave a lot of free airtime to Scale. Also hopefully Scale will use this opportunity to educate team members about situations like this.

by ayw 7y ago

mitfahrener 7y ago

Ouchy

gesman 7y ago

Gotta love HN. Good people come to comment on a minute notice!

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kerng 7y ago

Still odd Lyft doesn't credit this when posting about it.

exit 7y ago

the point cloud viewer which cardigan also had to point out was produced by someone at scale, and not nuScene? pretty inconvenient for you when workers want their efforts recognised, and not just thought of as capital for you to push around however you please, huh?

dangero 7y ago
That’s a strange take on this. Not all staff are authorized to speak on the company’s behalf. That’s true almost anywhere I’ve worked. Your efforts cannot always be recognized externally. NDAs and various other types of contracts commonly outline that.
- exit 7y ago
  that's a strange response. i'm already clearly critiquing the dominant paradigm, capitalism. why would you just itemise a bunch of conventions from this paradigm, which i likely disagree with? do you need hn to be an agreeable echo chamber for you? capitalism depends on people not thinking thoroughly about the "deal" they are being drawn into. i'm here to harm this situation.
- dmix 7y ago
  This isn’t really about employee recognition. The whole comment was about attribution for the company and marketing the partnership with Scale. Which is pretty standard in some business arrangements but which wasn’t the case here, which the employee wasn’t aware of and turned out to not that big of a deal for scale. Plenty of companies work in the background supporting other. Businesses and don’t always need attribution. OP is trying to pigeonhole this into some sort of anti capitalist diatribe by trying to make it about individual employees wanting recognition and some big evil company is treating them like invisible cogs in the machine... which doesn’t make much sense since he asked for the company itself to be attributed, not individuals. It’s up to the company to reward and recognize employee contributions, not in some 3rd party partners announcements. Plus he was always free to comment how he helped work on it or letting people know Scale had a role in helping make it (which are both common on HN). Only if the parent company tried to suppress that would this argument make any sense. But I don’t know why I’m bothering to counter such a position.
- brianpgordon 7y ago
  I would be surprised if many people here really just assumed that a pseudonymous user chatting with us in the HN comments was speaking on behalf of the company in an official capacity. I mean, obviously there are legal niceties to be observed and he should have appended the usual disclaimers, blah blah blah, but we do have common sense here right?
  - donkeyd 7y ago
    No, people don't have common sense. People should not post publicly on behalf of their employer without running it by a manager. This is lesson one at every major corporate introduction and I now understand why, because people don't have common sense.
dang 7y ago
That crosses into personal attack, which is not allowed on HN, even if you are fighting the forces of capital. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

FBISurveillance 7y ago

That escalated quickly.

mkagenius 7y ago

Business should not be lost. Credit is secondary.

Cakez0r 7y ago

Under the bus they go!

atarian 7y ago

This is pretty effective marketing... generate some fake controversy over some small slight and have it go viral on HN.

thetrainfold 7y ago
(I work in marketing at scale) Thank you. (I don't really)
mkagenius 7y ago
Plot twist: Original comment was also the CEO.

rolltiide 7y ago

> I doubt leaving out Scale completely from the announcement is in the spirit of the agreement CEO Narrator: it was. MULTI-KILL BBBBUYOUT PPPPAAAAYDAY ACQUI-FFFFIRED

skocznymroczny 7y ago

Someone will get fired today

friendly_chap 7y ago
Hopefully not. Cardigan obviously is has the company's interest in mind, even if perhaps the execution is a little flawed. Cardigan has just learnt a lot about PR and also gave a lot of free airtime to Scale. Also hopefully Scale will use this opportunity to educate team members about situations like this.