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I just don't get why replaceable standard-sized lithium ion batteries have pretty much completely failed to take off other than those 18650 flashlights and vape

by opencl 7y ago

I just don't get why replaceable standard-sized lithium ion batteries have pretty much completely failed to take off other than those 18650 flashlights and vape pens. The proprietary replaceable batteries are an improvement over non-replaceable but in anything other than cameras the replacements seem to get discontinued by the manufacturer by the time you actually need one.

fragmede 7y ago
E-cigs and Teslas, that is.
- baq 7y ago
  Aren’t Teslas running on 21700?
  - reportingsjr 7y ago
    Only the Model 3. Model S and X are still using something close to 18650 (although I haven't followed Tesla's batteries for the last 8 to 9 months).
Scoundreller 7y ago
I’m building a solution: integrated bike lights on my bike (various strips, etc.), with a 3S 18650 battery holder that’s supposed to let me run nearly unlimited amperage (but with protection). I’ll probably just recharge over USB, but I could swap the cells if on a longer trip. The plan might include a motorcycle horn. It will be nice to have hard-mounted lights and 1 central battery that I can stow-and-go at any time, rather the attaching and detaching everything to avoid theft.
fengb 7y ago
Li-ion cells provides 3.6V, which makes them incompatible with traditional alkaline or NiMH. I don't think we've invented a standard for Li-ion batteries yet.
zokier 7y ago
One concern about lithium cells is safety. Shorting alkaline cells won't do much, and even nimhs are relatively benign, but lithiums can start fires or explode when mishandled. Shipping lithum cells is for that reason bit of a hurdle too.
- digikata 7y ago
  I think that's why the raw cells aren't used as the level of swappable unit very often. If the battery is at all removable, they're often integrated into packs which have some level of built-in protection.
cc439 7y ago
The problem with bare 18650 cells is in their chemistry. A bad charger + good cell = nasty fire and a good charger + bad cell = the same. Considering the fact that every major online retailer including Amazon has trouble policing fake cells, the liability risks are fairly extreme. If there was a way to completely block all non-UL rated products as well as those with fake UL stickers, I'd say your idea has merit. Unfortunately, the near frictionless world of online markets allows for too much counterfeit risk to enter the picture for such an idea to be workable.

by opencl 7y ago

fragmede 7y ago

E-cigs and Teslas, that is.

baq 7y ago
Aren’t Teslas running on 21700?
- reportingsjr 7y ago
  Only the Model 3. Model S and X are still using something close to 18650 (although I haven't followed Tesla's batteries for the last 8 to 9 months).

Scoundreller 7y ago

I’m building a solution: integrated bike lights on my bike (various strips, etc.), with a 3S 18650 battery holder that’s supposed to let me run nearly unlimited amperage (but with protection). I’ll probably just recharge over USB, but I could swap the cells if on a longer trip. The plan might include a motorcycle horn. It will be nice to have hard-mounted lights and 1 central battery that I can stow-and-go at any time, rather the attaching and detaching everything to avoid theft.

fengb 7y ago

Li-ion cells provides 3.6V, which makes them incompatible with traditional alkaline or NiMH. I don't think we've invented a standard for Li-ion batteries yet.

zokier 7y ago

One concern about lithium cells is safety. Shorting alkaline cells won't do much, and even nimhs are relatively benign, but lithiums can start fires or explode when mishandled. Shipping lithum cells is for that reason bit of a hurdle too.

digikata 7y ago
I think that's why the raw cells aren't used as the level of swappable unit very often. If the battery is at all removable, they're often integrated into packs which have some level of built-in protection.

cc439 7y ago

The problem with bare 18650 cells is in their chemistry. A bad charger + good cell = nasty fire and a good charger + bad cell = the same. Considering the fact that every major online retailer including Amazon has trouble policing fake cells, the liability risks are fairly extreme. If there was a way to completely block all non-UL rated products as well as those with fake UL stickers, I'd say your idea has merit. Unfortunately, the near frictionless world of online markets allows for too much counterfeit risk to enter the picture for such an idea to be workable.