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(I work at OpenAI.) Quite the opposite — this is an investment!

by gdb 7y ago

AbrahamParangi 7y ago
Congrats to the team, excited to see what you guys do with the momentum
streetcat1 7y ago
So you are now part of azure, no?. Like - azure-open-ai?
- minxomat 7y ago
  Do you know what "investment" means?
  - streetcat1 7y ago
    Yes. You get money and give control.
    - minxomat 7y ago
      Which is extremely well defined for OpenAI. One board seat, charter comes first. That's a legal agreement, not much open for interpretation.
      - streetcat1 7y ago
        Not quite true, azure is now the only channel by which open ai innovation can be commercialise. This is the key control point. For example, if there is an hardware innovation which make DNN training 1000x faster (e.g. optical DNN), but it does not exist on azure, than by definition it cannot be offered on another cloud. To sum up, this deal assure the choking point of azure/MS on any innovation that would come up from open ai.
kuzehanka 7y ago
Is all this talk of AGI some kind of marketing meme that you guys are tolerating? We haven't figured out sentiment analysis or convnets resilient to single pixel attacks, and here is a page talking about the god damned singularity. As an industry, we've already burned through a bunch of buzzwords that are now meaningless marketing-speak. 'ML', 'AI', 'NLP', 'cognitive computing'. Are we going for broke and adding AGI to the list so that nothing means anything any more?
- Miraste 7y ago
  OpenAI is a for-profit corporation now. It's in their interest to use as many buzzwords as possible to attract that sweet venture capital, regardless of whether said buzzwords have any base in reality.
- andreilys 7y ago
  At what point would you deem it a good idea to start working on AGI safety? What "threshold" would you want to cross before you think its socially acceptable to put resources behind ensuring that humanity doesn't wipe itself out? The tricky thing with all of this is we have no idea what an appropriate timeline looks like. We might be 10 years away from the singularity, 1000 years, or it might never ever happen! There is a non-zero chance that we are a few breakthroughs away from creating a technology that far surpasses the nuclear bomb in terms of destructive potential. These breakthroughs may have a short window of time between each of them (once we know a, knowing b,c,d will be much easier) So given all of that, wouldn't it make sense to start working on these problems now? And the unfortunate part of working on these problems now is that you do need hype/buzzwords to attract tallent, raise money and get people talking about AGI safety. Sure it might not lead anywhere, but just like fire insurance might seem unnecessary if you never have a fire, AGI research may end up being a useless field altogether but at least it gives us that cushion of safety.
  - kuzehanka 7y ago
    Discussing the risks of AGI is always worthwhile and has been undertaken for several decades now. That's a bit different from the marketing fluff on the linked page: "We’re partnering to develop a hardware and software platform within Microsoft Azure which will scale to AGI" Azure needs a few more years just to un-shit the bed with what their marketing team has done and catch up to even basic AWS/GCP analytics offerings. Them talking about AGI is like a toddler talking about building a nuclear weapon. This is the same marketing team that destroyed any meaning behind terms like 'real time', and 'AI'.
pmontra 7y ago
$1B is not like investing $100 in a crowdfunded project, "nice toy and let's hope for the best." I expect that Microsoft is going to look very closely at what OpenAI does and possibly steer it into a direction they like. Unless you have a few other $1B investors. We'll see how it plays out.
ryanmercer 7y ago
>(I work at OpenAI.) Humble understatement. *co-founded and co-run.
OrgNet 7y ago
is all your code public?

(I work at OpenAI.) Quite the opposite — this is an investment!

by gdb 7y ago

(I work at OpenAI.) Quite the opposite — this is an investment!

AbrahamParangi 7y ago

Congrats to the team, excited to see what you guys do with the momentum

streetcat1 7y ago

So you are now part of azure, no?. Like - azure-open-ai?

minxomat 7y ago
Do you know what "investment" means?
- streetcat1 7y ago
  Yes. You get money and give control.
  - minxomat 7y ago
    Which is extremely well defined for OpenAI. One board seat, charter comes first. That's a legal agreement, not much open for interpretation.
    - streetcat1 7y ago
      Not quite true, azure is now the only channel by which open ai innovation can be commercialise. This is the key control point. For example, if there is an hardware innovation which make DNN training 1000x faster (e.g. optical DNN), but it does not exist on azure, than by definition it cannot be offered on another cloud. To sum up, this deal assure the choking point of azure/MS on any innovation that would come up from open ai.

kuzehanka 7y ago

Is all this talk of AGI some kind of marketing meme that you guys are tolerating? We haven't figured out sentiment analysis or convnets resilient to single pixel attacks, and here is a page talking about the god damned singularity. As an industry, we've already burned through a bunch of buzzwords that are now meaningless marketing-speak. 'ML', 'AI', 'NLP', 'cognitive computing'. Are we going for broke and adding AGI to the list so that nothing means anything any more?

Miraste 7y ago
OpenAI is a for-profit corporation now. It's in their interest to use as many buzzwords as possible to attract that sweet venture capital, regardless of whether said buzzwords have any base in reality.
andreilys 7y ago
At what point would you deem it a good idea to start working on AGI safety? What "threshold" would you want to cross before you think its socially acceptable to put resources behind ensuring that humanity doesn't wipe itself out? The tricky thing with all of this is we have no idea what an appropriate timeline looks like. We might be 10 years away from the singularity, 1000 years, or it might never ever happen! There is a non-zero chance that we are a few breakthroughs away from creating a technology that far surpasses the nuclear bomb in terms of destructive potential. These breakthroughs may have a short window of time between each of them (once we know a, knowing b,c,d will be much easier) So given all of that, wouldn't it make sense to start working on these problems now? And the unfortunate part of working on these problems now is that you do need hype/buzzwords to attract tallent, raise money and get people talking about AGI safety. Sure it might not lead anywhere, but just like fire insurance might seem unnecessary if you never have a fire, AGI research may end up being a useless field altogether but at least it gives us that cushion of safety.
- kuzehanka 7y ago
  Discussing the risks of AGI is always worthwhile and has been undertaken for several decades now. That's a bit different from the marketing fluff on the linked page: "We’re partnering to develop a hardware and software platform within Microsoft Azure which will scale to AGI" Azure needs a few more years just to un-shit the bed with what their marketing team has done and catch up to even basic AWS/GCP analytics offerings. Them talking about AGI is like a toddler talking about building a nuclear weapon. This is the same marketing team that destroyed any meaning behind terms like 'real time', and 'AI'.

pmontra 7y ago

$1B is not like investing $100 in a crowdfunded project, "nice toy and let's hope for the best." I expect that Microsoft is going to look very closely at what OpenAI does and possibly steer it into a direction they like. Unless you have a few other $1B investors. We'll see how it plays out.

ryanmercer 7y ago

>(I work at OpenAI.) Humble understatement. *co-founded and co-run.

OrgNet 7y ago

is all your code public?