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Or... maybe developers should not play the games the Iran goverment want them to play and every effort should go towards throwing the current dictatorship not t

Or... maybe developers should not play the games the Iran goverment want them to play and every effort should go towards throwing the current dictatorship not to stop using what they want us to stop using?

aphroz 7y ago
What about American developers? Shouldn't they stop using services like Google, Facebook, etc. Because of their proven collaboration with US intelligence service?
- mattigames 7y ago
  America is not a dictatorship, the chance of changing the goverment (and that includes its intel agencies) for the best by politics still exist so I don't even see the equivalence you are trying to make here, if anything developers and everyone else should _use those platforms_ (Google, Facebook, etc) to promote saner politics.
  - aphroz 7y ago
    Most of the difficulties the author is mentioning are caused by the US sanctions that have been put in place after Trump's decision to walk away from the deal the US signed with Iran (against international laws). What you call "democracy" is causing most of the difficulties the author encounter, not the censorship or surveillance from the "dictatorship". But I think it's not more the role of developers to change the politics than any regular citizen. In that case, you might want to reconsider the products you buy from China as well.
    - mattigames 7y ago
      Me stopping buying products from china would change exactly nothing, the only useful change against China tyranny that can be done is forbidding importations with new laws.
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lonelappde 7y ago
Why don't you overthrow the Iranian dictatorship?
- mattigames 7y ago
  Because I don't live in Iran, if there is ever a solution to the Iran tiranny it must happen from the inside and from its own people.
  - h0l0cube 7y ago
    There's many Americans that didn't live in Iraq, but fully supported the toppling of Saddam.
    - adventured 7y ago
      Did you know it took about 25-30 years for South Korea to no longer look like a disastrous third world nation after the Korean War? Millions of Korean people died in the process that made the South Korea of today possible. Was it worth it? Should the South Koreans regret their prosperity and freedom today? Should they have avoided the bloodshed and chosen to perpetually live under the Kim regime instead? Saddam being gone is not a bad thing and the US should not have invaded the country to topple him. The US installed a functioning democracy with a constitution in Iraq, at enormous national cost to the US and to the Iraqi people. In 25 or 30 years, if the Iraqi people are even moderately free, living in a democracy and able to chart their own path as a people through elections, will it have been worth it? What would the alternative have looked like?
      - h0l0cube 7y ago
        Not sure why it was presumed that I thought that toppling Saddam was a bad thing.
kaveh_h 7y ago
And play the game the US government wants them to play? US is creating the situation were enough conservative Iranian (their are enough) are going to support their government just because sanctions and muslim ban exists.
- kaveh_h 7y ago
  Some down voters, but no counter arguments? So you all basically think sanctions are going to work and the hardliners are going to cave in and agree to a new deal and not try to crush dissent? Have you seen state of Venezuela? US threatened to go in and supported an opposition. And the result is failure and real tragedy for the people. Now they are blaiming Cuba. You don’t need a majority to create a revolution that succeds. You need an enemy which is lacking morale and the means. The Iranian regime supporters now have morale (US dropping out of deal, and allies which can’t stop US influence) and they obviously have weapons to crush the resistance which have none.
seqizz 7y ago
Oh sorry, how many times did you overthrow your government? Any tips?
- PunchTornado 7y ago
  I did it once, Romania. Took about max 20k people in the street to start it.
- mattigames 7y ago
  My government doesn't need overthrowing yet, so no tips over here; there are some excellent books about it tho.

aphroz 7y ago

What about American developers? Shouldn't they stop using services like Google, Facebook, etc. Because of their proven collaboration with US intelligence service?

mattigames 7y ago
America is not a dictatorship, the chance of changing the goverment (and that includes its intel agencies) for the best by politics still exist so I don't even see the equivalence you are trying to make here, if anything developers and everyone else should _use those platforms_ (Google, Facebook, etc) to promote saner politics.
- aphroz 7y ago
  Most of the difficulties the author is mentioning are caused by the US sanctions that have been put in place after Trump's decision to walk away from the deal the US signed with Iran (against international laws). What you call "democracy" is causing most of the difficulties the author encounter, not the censorship or surveillance from the "dictatorship". But I think it's not more the role of developers to change the politics than any regular citizen. In that case, you might want to reconsider the products you buy from China as well.
  - mattigames 7y ago
    Me stopping buying products from china would change exactly nothing, the only useful change against China tyranny that can be done is forbidding importations with new laws.

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lonelappde 7y ago

Why don't you overthrow the Iranian dictatorship?

mattigames 7y ago
Because I don't live in Iran, if there is ever a solution to the Iran tiranny it must happen from the inside and from its own people.
- h0l0cube 7y ago
  There's many Americans that didn't live in Iraq, but fully supported the toppling of Saddam.
  - adventured 7y ago
    Did you know it took about 25-30 years for South Korea to no longer look like a disastrous third world nation after the Korean War? Millions of Korean people died in the process that made the South Korea of today possible. Was it worth it? Should the South Koreans regret their prosperity and freedom today? Should they have avoided the bloodshed and chosen to perpetually live under the Kim regime instead? Saddam being gone is not a bad thing and the US should not have invaded the country to topple him. The US installed a functioning democracy with a constitution in Iraq, at enormous national cost to the US and to the Iraqi people. In 25 or 30 years, if the Iraqi people are even moderately free, living in a democracy and able to chart their own path as a people through elections, will it have been worth it? What would the alternative have looked like?
    - h0l0cube 7y ago
      Not sure why it was presumed that I thought that toppling Saddam was a bad thing.

kaveh_h 7y ago

And play the game the US government wants them to play? US is creating the situation were enough conservative Iranian (their are enough) are going to support their government just because sanctions and muslim ban exists.

kaveh_h 7y ago
Some down voters, but no counter arguments? So you all basically think sanctions are going to work and the hardliners are going to cave in and agree to a new deal and not try to crush dissent? Have you seen state of Venezuela? US threatened to go in and supported an opposition. And the result is failure and real tragedy for the people. Now they are blaiming Cuba. You don’t need a majority to create a revolution that succeds. You need an enemy which is lacking morale and the means. The Iranian regime supporters now have morale (US dropping out of deal, and allies which can’t stop US influence) and they obviously have weapons to crush the resistance which have none.

seqizz 7y ago

Oh sorry, how many times did you overthrow your government? Any tips?

PunchTornado 7y ago
I did it once, Romania. Took about max 20k people in the street to start it.
mattigames 7y ago
My government doesn't need overthrowing yet, so no tips over here; there are some excellent books about it tho.