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Quillette is strongly associated with "the intellectual dark web," which is associated with the alt-right. Quillette publishes prominent alt-right individuals.

Quillette is strongly associated with "the intellectual dark web," which is associated with the alt-right. Quillette publishes prominent alt-right individuals. Several articles on the front page, including the one you mention, favorably portray alt-right individuals. You seem to be familiar with them, so I think that you're aware of this, to be honest.

chance_state 7y ago
>Quillette is undeniably associated with "the intellectual dark web," which is undeniably associated with the alt-right. You state this as if it's fact, instead of just your opinion. People who consider themselves public figures from "the intellectual dark web" have time and again made clear that they have virtually nothing in common with the alt-right (Sam Harris on countless occasions, for example). In your OP you say, >A preliminary search will turn up plenty of reprehensible authors and plenty more reprehensible articles. Can you list some examples please? This hasn't been my experience as a casual reader of Quillette.
- nameismypw 7y ago
  > You state this as if it's fact, instead of just your opinion. It is fact. You cannot have read anything about Quillette without also knowing that it's associated with the alt-right. I've never understood why alt-right people feel the need to dogwhistle even to people who are familiar with that strategy. If you're going to have these opinions, you can at least acknowledge and stand by them. The only time you're wasting here is yours. > People who consider themselves public figures from "the intellectual dark web" have time and again made clear that they have virtually nothing in common with the alt-right (Sam Harris on countless occasions, for example). > Can you list some examples please? This hasn't been my experience as a casual reader of Quillette. Sam Harris believes in scientific racism, so you can start there.
  - amazingman 7y ago
    Now you’ve labeled someone who simply disagreed with you with the “alt-right” epithet. You are demonizing anyone who disagrees with —or asks you to clarify the provenance of— your specific conclusions. You could stop, but first you’ll need to stop and ask yourself how you’ve come to know what you think you know. (Reworded some unnecessarily churlish language)
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - dang 7y ago
      Please don't do ideological flamewar on HN. It's not what this site is for. Also, personal attacks are definitely not ok—we ban accounts for that—so would you please review the site guidelines and use HN as intended? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - amazingman 7y ago
        Definitely wasn’t intending to do that. Is the edit sufficient? Should I remove the wrapped language entirely?
        dang 7y ago
        I appreciate your textual scrupulosity but that's way too hard to read. I wouldn't be squeamish about editing.
  - dang 7y ago
    Please don't do ideological flamewar on HN. It's not what this site is for, and it eats what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - nameismypw 7y ago
      Sorry, no. If HN is syndicating alt-right hate magazines, I'm going to call it out, and keep calling it out. That's eating more than HN, it's eating society. If you're complicit, then I'll call you out too. This is not the time in history to prioritize civility.
      - dang 7y ago
        HN exists to gratify curiosity. People come here to get away from grandiose battles and shrill rhetoric. It's only a small minority of the community who want to use it for such things. The rest find it tedious because it's all so predictable—in fact, it gets more predictable as it gets hotter, and above a certain temperature all such comments are the same.
        nameismypw 7y ago
        Do you think that might be why big tech is ruining the world, and do you see yourself as a contributor to that?
        dang 7y ago
        I think it's good to have a place on the internet that's dedicated to intellectual curiosity. Don't you? If that ends up not being possible because it burns with political flames, to me that would be part of ruining the world. (A small part. I don't think HN is important in the grand scheme of things.) There are other places to fight grand battles—most other places, in fact. HN isn't particularly correlated with big tech. It's a place for people to congregate and share and talk about what they find interesting.
        chance_state 7y ago
amazingman 7y ago
The “intellectual dark web” isn’t a real thing. Outside of Eric Weinstein, who coined the term, those who try to trade on being part of it (e.g. Rubin, Shapiro) are largely the reason why the term has become associated with toxicity. Indeed some of the other “members” of the IDW (e.g. Harris, Rogan) find the whole idea to be a bit silly. I’ll also point out that you’re calling me “disingenuous” in one breath while broadly painting several individuals with wildly different politics, audiences, and personal ethics with the term “alt-right” in another.

chance_state 7y ago

>Quillette is undeniably associated with "the intellectual dark web," which is undeniably associated with the alt-right. You state this as if it's fact, instead of just your opinion. People who consider themselves public figures from "the intellectual dark web" have time and again made clear that they have virtually nothing in common with the alt-right (Sam Harris on countless occasions, for example). In your OP you say, >A preliminary search will turn up plenty of reprehensible authors and plenty more reprehensible articles. Can you list some examples please? This hasn't been my experience as a casual reader of Quillette.

nameismypw 7y ago
> You state this as if it's fact, instead of just your opinion. It is fact. You cannot have read anything about Quillette without also knowing that it's associated with the alt-right. I've never understood why alt-right people feel the need to dogwhistle even to people who are familiar with that strategy. If you're going to have these opinions, you can at least acknowledge and stand by them. The only time you're wasting here is yours. > People who consider themselves public figures from "the intellectual dark web" have time and again made clear that they have virtually nothing in common with the alt-right (Sam Harris on countless occasions, for example). > Can you list some examples please? This hasn't been my experience as a casual reader of Quillette. Sam Harris believes in scientific racism, so you can start there.
- amazingman 7y ago
  Now you’ve labeled someone who simply disagreed with you with the “alt-right” epithet. You are demonizing anyone who disagrees with —or asks you to clarify the provenance of— your specific conclusions. You could stop, but first you’ll need to stop and ask yourself how you’ve come to know what you think you know. (Reworded some unnecessarily churlish language)
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
  - dang 7y ago
    Please don't do ideological flamewar on HN. It's not what this site is for. Also, personal attacks are definitely not ok—we ban accounts for that—so would you please review the site guidelines and use HN as intended? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - amazingman 7y ago
      Definitely wasn’t intending to do that. Is the edit sufficient? Should I remove the wrapped language entirely?
      - dang 7y ago
        I appreciate your textual scrupulosity but that's way too hard to read. I wouldn't be squeamish about editing.
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't do ideological flamewar on HN. It's not what this site is for, and it eats what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - nameismypw 7y ago
    Sorry, no. If HN is syndicating alt-right hate magazines, I'm going to call it out, and keep calling it out. That's eating more than HN, it's eating society. If you're complicit, then I'll call you out too. This is not the time in history to prioritize civility.
    - dang 7y ago
      HN exists to gratify curiosity. People come here to get away from grandiose battles and shrill rhetoric. It's only a small minority of the community who want to use it for such things. The rest find it tedious because it's all so predictable—in fact, it gets more predictable as it gets hotter, and above a certain temperature all such comments are the same.
      - nameismypw 7y ago
        Do you think that might be why big tech is ruining the world, and do you see yourself as a contributor to that?
        dang 7y ago
        I think it's good to have a place on the internet that's dedicated to intellectual curiosity. Don't you? If that ends up not being possible because it burns with political flames, to me that would be part of ruining the world. (A small part. I don't think HN is important in the grand scheme of things.) There are other places to fight grand battles—most other places, in fact. HN isn't particularly correlated with big tech. It's a place for people to congregate and share and talk about what they find interesting.
      - chance_state 7y ago

amazingman 7y ago

The “intellectual dark web” isn’t a real thing. Outside of Eric Weinstein, who coined the term, those who try to trade on being part of it (e.g. Rubin, Shapiro) are largely the reason why the term has become associated with toxicity. Indeed some of the other “members” of the IDW (e.g. Harris, Rogan) find the whole idea to be a bit silly. I’ll also point out that you’re calling me “disingenuous” in one breath while broadly painting several individuals with wildly different politics, audiences, and personal ethics with the term “alt-right” in another.