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Are concentration camps (black sites, Guantanamo...) the reason why companies have left the USA?

by binarray2000 7y ago

riffraff 7y ago
Probably grandparent's point would apply in this case too, it would be nice if they did. Although, arguably, punishing employees of 3M or something because the government misbehaves is not obviously good.
- rusticpenn 7y ago
  Probably helps the employees realise that their vote matters..
adventured 7y ago
Let's be specific. There are about three dozen people being held in Guantanamo. A total of around 780 people were detained in total by the US military over a decade and a half. Of those 780, around 730 were let go. Nearly all of the detainees were granted representation and visitation rights, along with Guantanamo itself being subject to public observation & access by human rights groups. The US Supreme Court ruled that the Guantanamo detainees have specific protections, such as habeas corpus and have a right of access to the US court system. Your comparison is between Guantanamo and what China is doing. Therefore it begs the question: when is China going to stop forcibly stripping millions of Muslims of their religion and beliefs, torturing those people, and let go the million or more people they're actively holding in camps? And does the fact that China keeps building more camps, indicate that it's all going to stop soon? Will China allow media access to the camps? Do those being held in the camps have any rights of representation? Do prominent human rights groups have routine access to the camps for observation purposes? Has China publicly declared where every camp is located and how many people are being held in the camps?
- chillacy 7y ago
  Best case we see international action like the response to apartheid in SA, but there’s a lot of apathy out there.
- throwaway434 7y ago
  Are you so sure that is what China is doing? That the program is not a result of a decade of yearly terrorist attacks? That China is trying to de-radicalize extremists and integrate them into modern society? I do agree that a China needs to be more open and allow UN inspectors.
  - cycrutchfield 7y ago
    So jailing an ethnic minority based on the possibility that they might commit a crime in the future and forcing them to go through brainwashing (sorry, reeducation) programs is somehow OK because there are a few terrorists? No amount of rationalization is going to make that sound OK.

Are concentration camps (black sites, Guantanamo...) the reason why companies have left the USA?

Probably grandparent's point would apply in this case too, it would be nice if they did. Although, arguably, punishing employees of 3M or something because the government misbehaves is not obviously good.

rusticpenn 7y ago
Probably helps the employees realise that their vote matters..

adventured 7y ago

Let's be specific. There are about three dozen people being held in Guantanamo. A total of around 780 people were detained in total by the US military over a decade and a half. Of those 780, around 730 were let go. Nearly all of the detainees were granted representation and visitation rights, along with Guantanamo itself being subject to public observation & access by human rights groups. The US Supreme Court ruled that the Guantanamo detainees have specific protections, such as habeas corpus and have a right of access to the US court system. Your comparison is between Guantanamo and what China is doing. Therefore it begs the question: when is China going to stop forcibly stripping millions of Muslims of their religion and beliefs, torturing those people, and let go the million or more people they're actively holding in camps? And does the fact that China keeps building more camps, indicate that it's all going to stop soon? Will China allow media access to the camps? Do those being held in the camps have any rights of representation? Do prominent human rights groups have routine access to the camps for observation purposes? Has China publicly declared where every camp is located and how many people are being held in the camps?

chillacy 7y ago
Best case we see international action like the response to apartheid in SA, but there’s a lot of apathy out there.
throwaway434 7y ago
Are you so sure that is what China is doing? That the program is not a result of a decade of yearly terrorist attacks? That China is trying to de-radicalize extremists and integrate them into modern society? I do agree that a China needs to be more open and allow UN inspectors.
- cycrutchfield 7y ago
  So jailing an ethnic minority based on the possibility that they might commit a crime in the future and forcing them to go through brainwashing (sorry, reeducation) programs is somehow OK because there are a few terrorists? No amount of rationalization is going to make that sound OK.