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Protein. If I binge on carbs I can be painfully full but still hungry. If I eat a hunk of roast beast I feel like pushing it away long before I'm physically stu

Protein. If I binge on carbs I can be painfully full but still hungry. If I eat a hunk of roast beast I feel like pushing it away long before I'm physically stuffed. And the satiety lasts longer. I've spent years now N=1 testing the hypothesis that protein satiates me faster and longer than the other macro nutrients, and it seems to pass each test.

klodolph 7y ago
On average, people in the US have a high-protein diet relative to the rest of the world. There is a lot of evidence that periods of food scarcity in childhood have a profound impact on our body chemistry and the way our body feels hungry or metabolizes food.
- grenoire 7y ago
  > On average, people in the US have a high-protein diet relative to the rest of the world. A problem with this statement is that you're assuming the average is applicable in a uniformly distributed manner. People who are obese (or morbidly obese) and in the lower income quartile could consume little to no protein, and still you could have a higher protein content in Americans' diets. On average.
  - klodolph 7y ago
    Assuming the opposite doesn't get us any closer to finding the truth.
jah6q 7y ago
N=2, agreed. After even a medium-sized protein shake I don't even want to look at food, but if I skip the protein and mainly build it with fruits and such then I'm hungry much sooner all the while consuming the same (or more) volume of stuff.
scarejunba 7y ago
Maybe it’s the fat in the meat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning
rubicon33 7y ago
I've never understood the "not full eating carbs" thing. This isn't the first time I've heard it either. Myself ... I get full eating food. Carbs, protein, whatever it is. If I eat a lot of it, I'm full. I guess what I find interesting and the point of my response is that there is clearly a difference from person to person in how their body produces the "full" feeling. Somehow in your case, a belly full of carbs, blocks (or inhibits) that full signal from firing?
- jimbokun 7y ago
  But do you get that feeling faster eating a steak than bread or cookies, in terms of total calories consumed?
  - autokad 7y ago
    i myself get that feeling of being full faster from eating carbs. a glass of soda can effectively kill my appetite before a meal
- astura 7y ago
  Honestly, hunger and satiety have a surprisingly large physiological component so is I think its some sort of psychosomatic thing based on current trends. Me? I get full on food, including carbs. Sometimes on a weekend day for a treat I go to a cafe in the morning. When I'm there I eat a donut and a bagel and that will be the only thing I eat in the whole day, I feel full after eating it and I am plenty satiated for the rest of the day even though "broscience" tells me I should be starving again a half hour later.
- ng12 7y ago
  Here's the rub: it's much easier to overeat with carbs and sugar than with protein, fiber and fat. A lot of people wouldn't blink at 80g of carbs from fries or desert but eating four apples in one sitting is much more difficult.
- logfromblammo 7y ago
  This may be related to ones number of copies of the amylase-coding genes. Put a saltine in your mouth and start chewing it, without swallowing. Note the amount of time required until it starts to taste sweet. Anecdotally, I never taste sweetness from this test. And I do not feel satiated by high-carb foods. I could eat spaghetti until I'm basically the gluttony murder victim from "Seven". The satiety signal from carbs is almost completely absent. The feeling of fullness only comes from the physical stretching of the stomach, or from other macronutrients. That's why low-carb diets work better for me. I eat less when only eating foods that make me feel as though I have eaten at all.
codemac 7y ago
Not just "carbs", but refined carbs & sugar. If I binge on bananas, fruit, and veggies etc I feel stuffed too. In fact to the point where I lost ~30 lbs in 40 days because I couldn't eat enough calories. The "potato hack" leverages a similar property with starch. Fiber & fat both make you feel very satiated.
- HalcyonicStorm 7y ago
  What is the "potato hack"?
  - logfromblammo 7y ago
    Boil white potatoes, then refrigerate them, to cause retrogradation of the starch? This causes the starch to become more resistant to digestion and lowers the glycemic index of the food. Potatoes are already pretty good for satiety, and retrogradated potatoes are filling and slower to digest.
    - jagannathtech 7y ago
      resistant starch
beaner 7y ago
People might be different, I feel the actual opposite of this. I can easily eat a steak and feel craving for more. A mixed plate that is 1/3 meat and 2/3 carbs satiates me much more completely. I'm often amazed at just how much I can eat when all I'm eating is meat. It also makes sense that a diet that generates ketosis so that you lose weight quickly (e.g. protein-heavy/carb-light) would be accompanied by feelings of hunger.
mogadsheu 7y ago
Agreed. Carbs and by extension calories are one part of a diet. Protein is another big one. Apparently half of America is deficient in one or more micronutrients (ie vitamins, minerals, etc) as well. It’s shocking.
phil248 7y ago
Every body is different and we react to different foods in different ways. The only mistake we can make it assuming other people's bodies work like our own. There is tremendous variation.

klodolph 7y ago

On average, people in the US have a high-protein diet relative to the rest of the world. There is a lot of evidence that periods of food scarcity in childhood have a profound impact on our body chemistry and the way our body feels hungry or metabolizes food.

grenoire 7y ago
> On average, people in the US have a high-protein diet relative to the rest of the world. A problem with this statement is that you're assuming the average is applicable in a uniformly distributed manner. People who are obese (or morbidly obese) and in the lower income quartile could consume little to no protein, and still you could have a higher protein content in Americans' diets. On average.
- klodolph 7y ago
  Assuming the opposite doesn't get us any closer to finding the truth.

jah6q 7y ago

N=2, agreed. After even a medium-sized protein shake I don't even want to look at food, but if I skip the protein and mainly build it with fruits and such then I'm hungry much sooner all the while consuming the same (or more) volume of stuff.

scarejunba 7y ago

Maybe it’s the fat in the meat https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protein_poisoning

rubicon33 7y ago

I've never understood the "not full eating carbs" thing. This isn't the first time I've heard it either. Myself ... I get full eating food. Carbs, protein, whatever it is. If I eat a lot of it, I'm full. I guess what I find interesting and the point of my response is that there is clearly a difference from person to person in how their body produces the "full" feeling. Somehow in your case, a belly full of carbs, blocks (or inhibits) that full signal from firing?

jimbokun 7y ago
But do you get that feeling faster eating a steak than bread or cookies, in terms of total calories consumed?
- autokad 7y ago
  i myself get that feeling of being full faster from eating carbs. a glass of soda can effectively kill my appetite before a meal
astura 7y ago
Honestly, hunger and satiety have a surprisingly large physiological component so is I think its some sort of psychosomatic thing based on current trends. Me? I get full on food, including carbs. Sometimes on a weekend day for a treat I go to a cafe in the morning. When I'm there I eat a donut and a bagel and that will be the only thing I eat in the whole day, I feel full after eating it and I am plenty satiated for the rest of the day even though "broscience" tells me I should be starving again a half hour later.
ng12 7y ago
Here's the rub: it's much easier to overeat with carbs and sugar than with protein, fiber and fat. A lot of people wouldn't blink at 80g of carbs from fries or desert but eating four apples in one sitting is much more difficult.
logfromblammo 7y ago
This may be related to ones number of copies of the amylase-coding genes. Put a saltine in your mouth and start chewing it, without swallowing. Note the amount of time required until it starts to taste sweet. Anecdotally, I never taste sweetness from this test. And I do not feel satiated by high-carb foods. I could eat spaghetti until I'm basically the gluttony murder victim from "Seven". The satiety signal from carbs is almost completely absent. The feeling of fullness only comes from the physical stretching of the stomach, or from other macronutrients. That's why low-carb diets work better for me. I eat less when only eating foods that make me feel as though I have eaten at all.

codemac 7y ago

Not just "carbs", but refined carbs & sugar. If I binge on bananas, fruit, and veggies etc I feel stuffed too. In fact to the point where I lost ~30 lbs in 40 days because I couldn't eat enough calories. The "potato hack" leverages a similar property with starch. Fiber & fat both make you feel very satiated.

HalcyonicStorm 7y ago
What is the "potato hack"?
- logfromblammo 7y ago
  Boil white potatoes, then refrigerate them, to cause retrogradation of the starch? This causes the starch to become more resistant to digestion and lowers the glycemic index of the food. Potatoes are already pretty good for satiety, and retrogradated potatoes are filling and slower to digest.
  - jagannathtech 7y ago
    resistant starch

beaner 7y ago

People might be different, I feel the actual opposite of this. I can easily eat a steak and feel craving for more. A mixed plate that is 1/3 meat and 2/3 carbs satiates me much more completely. I'm often amazed at just how much I can eat when all I'm eating is meat. It also makes sense that a diet that generates ketosis so that you lose weight quickly (e.g. protein-heavy/carb-light) would be accompanied by feelings of hunger.

mogadsheu 7y ago

Agreed. Carbs and by extension calories are one part of a diet. Protein is another big one. Apparently half of America is deficient in one or more micronutrients (ie vitamins, minerals, etc) as well. It’s shocking.

phil248 7y ago

Every body is different and we react to different foods in different ways. The only mistake we can make it assuming other people's bodies work like our own. There is tremendous variation.