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> I mean, they can be, but is there any reason to believe they are? Yes, there is: women stepped forward. > Have male leaders of similar protests been treated
by r3bl 7y ago
> I mean, they can be, but is there any reason to believe they are?
Yes, there is: women stepped forward.
> Have male leaders of similar protests been treated better?
Men either haven't experienced the same, or they are keeping their mouth shut.
In both scenarios, women should be supported. If men step forward, so should they. They didn't so far (or at least, not in large enough numbers for such a protest to be reported), so based on the data we have available to us, the problem affects women way more than it affects men.
- SpicyLemonZest 7y agoI don’t really understand the response. Is your claim that, if something bad happens to a woman without simultaneously happening to a man, that automatically makes it a gender bias issue?
- r3bl 7y agoYou do understand it, you just refuse to understand it. But to answer your question, yes. If enough women were affected that they felt compelled to step out, and men didn't, that's clearly a gender bias issue.
- SpicyLemonZest 7y agoI guess I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. It’s just an obviously toxic attitude that anything bad which happens to a woman is a women’s rights issue, so I’m not sure how to engage with an open endorsement of it.
- r3bl 7y agoA woman? No, sorry, try again. Here's an article[0] from October. Relevant quote: > After publication of this article, Sundar Pichai, Google’s chief executive, and Ms. Naughton wrote in an email to employees that the company had fired 48 people for sexual harassment over the last two years and that none of them received an exit package. Unless you believe that 48 people were fired for sexually abusing the exact same woman, the problem is a bit more... shall we say widespread? [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/technology/google-sexual-harassment-andy-rubin.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/technology/google-sexual-...
- SpicyLemonZest 7y agoIs your hypothesis that one of those 48 people snuck back on campus after being fired to retaliate against Whittaker? If not, what do they have to do with anything?
- username90 7y agoGoogle has over 100k employees or even more if you count temps. 24 per year means that around 0.024% gets fired for harassment per year which is extremely low, many cities have higher murder rate than that. So it is not a sign that there is a huge problem, on the contrary the number is so low that I'd suspect that they cover up a lot of things,
- anonuser123456 7y ago>You do understand it, you just refuse to understand it. I like how you believe to have superior knowledge of the internal workings of another person's thought process than said individual. What a totally reasonable position to have.
- r3bl 7y agoYeah, it's almost as if I lived in that "but what about men's issues?" bullshit a few years previously. The only difference between us two is that I snapped out of it.
- anonuser123456 7y agoClearly the most reasonable interpretation. Absolutely no plausibility of another possibility.
- r3bl 7y agoGlad we agree!
- dang 7y agoWould you please stop posting in the flamewar style to HN? You've done that repeatedly in this thread, including crossing into personal attack. That helps nothing and only makes this place worse, regardless of how bad another comment is or how right you feel you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html