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Awesome. The more the merrier. India will become an economically powerful nation just like China is today. Just a matter of time.

skavi 7y ago
The sooner the better. We need a democratic counterpoint to China's totalitarianism.
- rounce 7y ago
  India may have some kind of democracy but it's far that enjoyed in a western European nation. The open support by some BJP politicians for the lynch mobs and killers of Muslims and Dalits is unconscionable.
  - taarushv 7y ago
    40% of BJP members of parliment have criminal records/charges against them. Including murder and rape. I'm Indian but I've lost faith in Indian politicians years ago. Only way I see a reform coming about is if more of the youth view politics as a viable/worthy career path. Right now, the lunatic amount of emphasis on Engineering/Science paths to highschool kids is draining all talent. Source: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabha/india/in-2019-general-elections-no-bar-on-candidates-charged-with-murder-or-rape/articleshow/69318220.cms?from=mdr https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabh...
    - vthallam 7y ago
      > the lunatic amount of emphasis on Engineering/Science paths to highschool kids is draining all talent. What does this even mean? Politicians with criminal cases against them(not convicted) in India is as old as 1947. It's very easy to charge someone and shift the burden to the charged person that they prove themselves innocent. That doesn't mean there aren't bad people, it just takes a lot of time before this changes. Singling out a single party on a forum where little people have cultural context just shows the bias.
      - b_tterc_p 7y ago
        I don’t know anything about Indian politics. This feels like a deflection but I’d like to hear more. You say many haven’t been convicted formally. Reading between the lines, how many of those cases are likely to have been guilty of the crime, regardless of the workings of the court?
      - taarushv 7y ago
        > What does this even mean? Politicians with criminal cases against them(not convicted) in India is as old as 1947. It's very easy to charge someone and shift the burden to the charged person that they prove themselves innocent. What I mean to say is this crime in politics will continue to exist unless there is more diversity in education paths in India. As a highschooler in your average tier 2 Indian city, The only options (simply based on educational quality, socio-economic pressure, and job opportunities) were a) engineering b) medicine c) law/accounting. I barely knew anyone from my high school that wanted to pursue public office (even later in life, if not immediately). > That doesn't mean there aren't bad people, it just takes a lot of time before this changes. Singling out a single party on a forum where little people have cultural context just shows the bias. That's a load of BS. If you managed to open the source I linked it clearly states 39% of Congress leaders have cases against them too. In the second line. I mentioned BJP because of the parent comment I was responding to. Your attempt at framing my comment as some sort of partisan propaganda is mindboggling.
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JumpCrisscross 7y ago
> Just a matter of time No, it’s not. The middle income trap is treacherous. I am optimistic for India. But there will be struggles and sacrifices; ascendency is far from inevitable.
- sct202 7y ago
  Even if they get stuck at middle income for awhile, that's still like $10k nominal GDP per capita which would put them right around where China is today.
  - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
    > Even if they get stuck at middle income for awhile That isn’t the downside scenario. Countries that fail to ascend amidst population growth have a habit of collapsing and regressing, economically and politically. India has been doing a terrific job of traversing this terrain, a fact I largely ascribe to its democratic institutions. But continued progress is far from a given. Ironically, one of the greatest risk factors is complacency from believing growth is inevitable. (This seems to be happening in China.)
    - Robotbeat 7y ago
      Not certain, but it is the most likely possibility. India doesn’t have an oil-dominated economy, so they aren’t in danger of the “resource curse.” Continued catch-up growth seems the most likely possibility. And as others have said, even a “middle income” outcome would make India an incredibly powerful nation due to the size of their population alone. EDIT: and there’s empirical support for my supposition that not being dependent on primary commodities (ie not having the “resource curse”) improves the odds of escaping the middle income trap: https://ideas.repec.org/p/jet/dpaper/dpaper482.html https://ideas.repec.org/p/jet/dpaper/dpaper482.html “The results of our analyses suggest that the middle-income trap is a form of Dutch disease or a 'resource curse' in the middle-income stage.”
      - JumpCrisscross 7y ago
hourislate 7y ago
I admire your optimism, but when a country exports it best and brightest talent to build other nations what hope does it ever have. Mediocrity at best?
- Robotbeat 7y ago
  A good argument for having a space exploration program, then.
pankajdoharey 7y ago
India is in a lower middle income group, its neighbours except pakistan are moving or in midle to upper-middle income groups already. Srilanka, China and bangladesh are middle, higher middle and soon to be middle income group countries respectively. India is far behind on many indicators and right wing governments world over dont have a great track record of improving the economy. India seems likely to get stuck in middle income trap like Brazil but with much low oil resource and large uneducated skill less population which is destined to be a liability in the next decades to come unless India is able to magically transform its low skill population into an equivalent chinese work force. But that is unlikely due to education disparity in the population, and a religious system where a large population does not have access to education. So all in all India is destined to be a basket case of untapped potential.

skavi 7y ago

The sooner the better. We need a democratic counterpoint to China's totalitarianism.

rounce 7y ago
India may have some kind of democracy but it's far that enjoyed in a western European nation. The open support by some BJP politicians for the lynch mobs and killers of Muslims and Dalits is unconscionable.
- taarushv 7y ago
  40% of BJP members of parliment have criminal records/charges against them. Including murder and rape. I'm Indian but I've lost faith in Indian politicians years ago. Only way I see a reform coming about is if more of the youth view politics as a viable/worthy career path. Right now, the lunatic amount of emphasis on Engineering/Science paths to highschool kids is draining all talent. Source: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabha/india/in-2019-general-elections-no-bar-on-candidates-charged-with-murder-or-rape/articleshow/69318220.cms?from=mdr https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/elections/lok-sabh...
  - vthallam 7y ago
    > the lunatic amount of emphasis on Engineering/Science paths to highschool kids is draining all talent. What does this even mean? Politicians with criminal cases against them(not convicted) in India is as old as 1947. It's very easy to charge someone and shift the burden to the charged person that they prove themselves innocent. That doesn't mean there aren't bad people, it just takes a lot of time before this changes. Singling out a single party on a forum where little people have cultural context just shows the bias.
    - b_tterc_p 7y ago
      I don’t know anything about Indian politics. This feels like a deflection but I’d like to hear more. You say many haven’t been convicted formally. Reading between the lines, how many of those cases are likely to have been guilty of the crime, regardless of the workings of the court?
    - taarushv 7y ago
      > What does this even mean? Politicians with criminal cases against them(not convicted) in India is as old as 1947. It's very easy to charge someone and shift the burden to the charged person that they prove themselves innocent. What I mean to say is this crime in politics will continue to exist unless there is more diversity in education paths in India. As a highschooler in your average tier 2 Indian city, The only options (simply based on educational quality, socio-economic pressure, and job opportunities) were a) engineering b) medicine c) law/accounting. I barely knew anyone from my high school that wanted to pursue public office (even later in life, if not immediately). > That doesn't mean there aren't bad people, it just takes a lot of time before this changes. Singling out a single party on a forum where little people have cultural context just shows the bias. That's a load of BS. If you managed to open the source I linked it clearly states 39% of Congress leaders have cases against them too. In the second line. I mentioned BJP because of the parent comment I was responding to. Your attempt at framing my comment as some sort of partisan propaganda is mindboggling.
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JumpCrisscross 7y ago

> Just a matter of time No, it’s not. The middle income trap is treacherous. I am optimistic for India. But there will be struggles and sacrifices; ascendency is far from inevitable.

sct202 7y ago
Even if they get stuck at middle income for awhile, that's still like $10k nominal GDP per capita which would put them right around where China is today.
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  > Even if they get stuck at middle income for awhile That isn’t the downside scenario. Countries that fail to ascend amidst population growth have a habit of collapsing and regressing, economically and politically. India has been doing a terrific job of traversing this terrain, a fact I largely ascribe to its democratic institutions. But continued progress is far from a given. Ironically, one of the greatest risk factors is complacency from believing growth is inevitable. (This seems to be happening in China.)
  - Robotbeat 7y ago
    Not certain, but it is the most likely possibility. India doesn’t have an oil-dominated economy, so they aren’t in danger of the “resource curse.” Continued catch-up growth seems the most likely possibility. And as others have said, even a “middle income” outcome would make India an incredibly powerful nation due to the size of their population alone. EDIT: and there’s empirical support for my supposition that not being dependent on primary commodities (ie not having the “resource curse”) improves the odds of escaping the middle income trap: https://ideas.repec.org/p/jet/dpaper/dpaper482.html https://ideas.repec.org/p/jet/dpaper/dpaper482.html “The results of our analyses suggest that the middle-income trap is a form of Dutch disease or a 'resource curse' in the middle-income stage.”
    - JumpCrisscross 7y ago

hourislate 7y ago

I admire your optimism, but when a country exports it best and brightest talent to build other nations what hope does it ever have. Mediocrity at best?

Robotbeat 7y ago
A good argument for having a space exploration program, then.

pankajdoharey 7y ago

India is in a lower middle income group, its neighbours except pakistan are moving or in midle to upper-middle income groups already. Srilanka, China and bangladesh are middle, higher middle and soon to be middle income group countries respectively. India is far behind on many indicators and right wing governments world over dont have a great track record of improving the economy. India seems likely to get stuck in middle income trap like Brazil but with much low oil resource and large uneducated skill less population which is destined to be a liability in the next decades to come unless India is able to magically transform its low skill population into an equivalent chinese work force. But that is unlikely due to education disparity in the population, and a religious system where a large population does not have access to education. So all in all India is destined to be a basket case of untapped potential.