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I am not sure if we read the same article. There are plenty of sources on the subject[1]: > High functioning autism can be tough to diagnose in a very young c

by krn 7y ago

I am not sure if we read the same article. There are plenty of sources on the subject[1]: > High functioning autism can be tough to diagnose in a very young child. There are a number of answers to that question. For example: Higher intelligence and language skills may have masked certain symptoms. > The ability to do well in school, communicate effectively, and pass an IQ test with flying colors are all impressive — and may send parents and teachers down the wrong path when looking for reasons for a child's unusual issues or behavior. [1] https://www.verywellhealth.com/high-functioning-autism-260305 https://www.verywellhealth.com/high-functioning-autism-26030...

codingdave 7y ago
Don't shoot the messenger - you are the one who linked to an article that said: "IQ of 70 or greater", and "HFA is not a recognized diagnosis"
- krn 7y ago
  > "IQ of 70 or greater" It means that 70 is the lowest IQ of people with High-functioning autism, which makes the average much higher than that. > and "HFA is not a recognized diagnosis" So is Asperger's since 2013. Yet, there is a huge difference between people with high-functioning and low-functioning autism. A person with low-functioning autism is not able to live independently at all.
  - krageon 7y ago
    > which makes the average much higher than that. All it means is that this is the lowest IQ. The average might be 71, we cannot deduce that one way or the other from "IQ of 70 or greater".
    - krn 7y ago
      > The average might be 71, we cannot deduce that one way or the other from "IQ of 70 or greater". We cannot deduce that from this single quote alone, but there are far more detailed figures available[1]: > 31% of children with ASD have an intellectual disability (intelligence quotient [IQ] <70), 25% are in the borderline range (IQ 71–85), and 44% have IQ scores in the average to above average range (i.e., IQ >85). If only the autistic people with IQ of 70 or greater are considered "high-functioning", then 64% of them have IQ greater than 85. In other words, 2/3 of people with High-functioning autism are of average or above average intelligence. [1] https://www.autismspeaks.org/autism-facts-and-figures https://www.autismspeaks.org/autism-facts-and-figures
      - krageon 7y ago
        I appreciate that you elaborated on this! Are you implying here that 44% is 2/3 or that an IQ of 71-85 is already average or above average intelligence? I'm afraid I don't follow your reasoning. It looks to me like you might at most be able to claim from these numbers that 44% is of average or above average intelligence. A little bit off-topic: Doesn't this website belong to the group of people that demonize and vilify (and even anthropomorphize) autism?
- napsterbr 7y ago
  Regarding diagnosis, Asperger was merged into the autism spectrum on the latest DSM. CID considers it to be a subgroup of autism. HFA/Asperger can be said to be of higher average intelligence when compared to other autists, but that is not necessarily true when compared to neurotypicals. However, "social struggle" is a common trait (and required for diagnosis AFAIK). Just my thoughts on the discussion, from a fellow aspie. Edit: by the way, krn's comment was spot on for me. I live by myself. I leave my house once every week to buy food and supplies. That's my only social contact. I dropped out of college and have only worked on my own software projects. Most people would consider my life very lonely but I quite like it :)

by krn 7y ago

codingdave 7y ago

Don't shoot the messenger - you are the one who linked to an article that said: "IQ of 70 or greater", and "HFA is not a recognized diagnosis"

krn 7y ago
> "IQ of 70 or greater" It means that 70 is the lowest IQ of people with High-functioning autism, which makes the average much higher than that. > and "HFA is not a recognized diagnosis" So is Asperger's since 2013. Yet, there is a huge difference between people with high-functioning and low-functioning autism. A person with low-functioning autism is not able to live independently at all.
- krageon 7y ago
  > which makes the average much higher than that. All it means is that this is the lowest IQ. The average might be 71, we cannot deduce that one way or the other from "IQ of 70 or greater".
  - krn 7y ago
    > The average might be 71, we cannot deduce that one way or the other from "IQ of 70 or greater". We cannot deduce that from this single quote alone, but there are far more detailed figures available[1]: > 31% of children with ASD have an intellectual disability (intelligence quotient [IQ] <70), 25% are in the borderline range (IQ 71–85), and 44% have IQ scores in the average to above average range (i.e., IQ >85). If only the autistic people with IQ of 70 or greater are considered "high-functioning", then 64% of them have IQ greater than 85. In other words, 2/3 of people with High-functioning autism are of average or above average intelligence. [1] https://www.autismspeaks.org/autism-facts-and-figures https://www.autismspeaks.org/autism-facts-and-figures
    - krageon 7y ago
      I appreciate that you elaborated on this! Are you implying here that 44% is 2/3 or that an IQ of 71-85 is already average or above average intelligence? I'm afraid I don't follow your reasoning. It looks to me like you might at most be able to claim from these numbers that 44% is of average or above average intelligence. A little bit off-topic: Doesn't this website belong to the group of people that demonize and vilify (and even anthropomorphize) autism?
napsterbr 7y ago
Regarding diagnosis, Asperger was merged into the autism spectrum on the latest DSM. CID considers it to be a subgroup of autism. HFA/Asperger can be said to be of higher average intelligence when compared to other autists, but that is not necessarily true when compared to neurotypicals. However, "social struggle" is a common trait (and required for diagnosis AFAIK). Just my thoughts on the discussion, from a fellow aspie. Edit: by the way, krn's comment was spot on for me. I live by myself. I leave my house once every week to buy food and supplies. That's my only social contact. I dropped out of college and have only worked on my own software projects. Most people would consider my life very lonely but I quite like it :)