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If I had to guess, High-functioning autism[1] is the most likely mental disorder to lead to such a complete self-isolation. It's similar to Asperger's in a way

by krn 7y ago

If I had to guess, High-functioning autism[1] is the most likely mental disorder to lead to such a complete self-isolation. It's similar to Asperger's in a way that a person is usually of normal or higher than average intelligence, but it makes it even harder to empathize with others, which leads to extreme anxiety and complete inability to concentrate attention in adult life. In other words, such a person might not be able to socialize, study, or work despite being intelligent enough. This can unsurprisingly encourage some unusual choices in life. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-functioning_autism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-functioning_autism

codingdave 7y ago
Interesting that the Wikipedia article you linked, within the first paragraph, completely refutes your premise that HFA is a diagnosis applied to some individuals with above average intelligence, as well as social struggles.
- krn 7y ago
  I am not sure if we read the same article. There are plenty of sources on the subject[1]: > High functioning autism can be tough to diagnose in a very young child. There are a number of answers to that question. For example: Higher intelligence and language skills may have masked certain symptoms. > The ability to do well in school, communicate effectively, and pass an IQ test with flying colors are all impressive — and may send parents and teachers down the wrong path when looking for reasons for a child's unusual issues or behavior. [1] https://www.verywellhealth.com/high-functioning-autism-260305 https://www.verywellhealth.com/high-functioning-autism-26030...
  - codingdave 7y ago
    Don't shoot the messenger - you are the one who linked to an article that said: "IQ of 70 or greater", and "HFA is not a recognized diagnosis"
    - krn 7y ago
      > "IQ of 70 or greater" It means that 70 is the lowest IQ of people with High-functioning autism, which makes the average much higher than that. > and "HFA is not a recognized diagnosis" So is Asperger's since 2013. Yet, there is a huge difference between people with high-functioning and low-functioning autism. A person with low-functioning autism is not able to live independently at all.
      - krageon 7y ago
        > which makes the average much higher than that. All it means is that this is the lowest IQ. The average might be 71, we cannot deduce that one way or the other from "IQ of 70 or greater".
        krn 7y ago
        > The average might be 71, we cannot deduce that one way or the other from "IQ of 70 or greater". We cannot deduce that from this single quote alone, but there are far more detailed figures available[1]: > 31% of children with ASD have an intellectual disability (intelligence quotient [IQ] <70), 25% are in the borderline range (IQ 71–85), and 44% have IQ scores in the average to above average range (i.e., IQ >85). If only the autistic people with IQ of 70 or greater are considered "high-functioning", then 64% of them have IQ greater than 85. In other words, 2/3 of people with High-functioning autism are of average or above average intelligence. [1] https://www.autismspeaks.org/autism-facts-and-figures https://www.autismspeaks.org/autism-facts-and-figures
        krageon 7y ago
        I appreciate that you elaborated on this! Are you implying here that 44% is 2/3 or that an IQ of 71-85 is already average or above average intelligence? I'm afraid I don't follow your reasoning. It looks to me like you might at most be able to claim from these numbers that 44% is of average or above average intelligence. A little bit off-topic: Doesn't this website belong to the group of people that demonize and vilify (and even anthropomorphize) autism?
iamnothere 7y ago
Much more likely to be schizoid personality disorder [0] IMHO, but I am not a psychologist. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder

by krn 7y ago

codingdave 7y ago

Interesting that the Wikipedia article you linked, within the first paragraph, completely refutes your premise that HFA is a diagnosis applied to some individuals with above average intelligence, as well as social struggles.

krn 7y ago
I am not sure if we read the same article. There are plenty of sources on the subject[1]: > High functioning autism can be tough to diagnose in a very young child. There are a number of answers to that question. For example: Higher intelligence and language skills may have masked certain symptoms. > The ability to do well in school, communicate effectively, and pass an IQ test with flying colors are all impressive — and may send parents and teachers down the wrong path when looking for reasons for a child's unusual issues or behavior. [1] https://www.verywellhealth.com/high-functioning-autism-260305 https://www.verywellhealth.com/high-functioning-autism-26030...
- codingdave 7y ago
  Don't shoot the messenger - you are the one who linked to an article that said: "IQ of 70 or greater", and "HFA is not a recognized diagnosis"
  - krn 7y ago
    > "IQ of 70 or greater" It means that 70 is the lowest IQ of people with High-functioning autism, which makes the average much higher than that. > and "HFA is not a recognized diagnosis" So is Asperger's since 2013. Yet, there is a huge difference between people with high-functioning and low-functioning autism. A person with low-functioning autism is not able to live independently at all.
    - krageon 7y ago
      > which makes the average much higher than that. All it means is that this is the lowest IQ. The average might be 71, we cannot deduce that one way or the other from "IQ of 70 or greater".
      - krn 7y ago
        > The average might be 71, we cannot deduce that one way or the other from "IQ of 70 or greater". We cannot deduce that from this single quote alone, but there are far more detailed figures available[1]: > 31% of children with ASD have an intellectual disability (intelligence quotient [IQ] <70), 25% are in the borderline range (IQ 71–85), and 44% have IQ scores in the average to above average range (i.e., IQ >85). If only the autistic people with IQ of 70 or greater are considered "high-functioning", then 64% of them have IQ greater than 85. In other words, 2/3 of people with High-functioning autism are of average or above average intelligence. [1] https://www.autismspeaks.org/autism-facts-and-figures https://www.autismspeaks.org/autism-facts-and-figures
        krageon 7y ago
        I appreciate that you elaborated on this! Are you implying here that 44% is 2/3 or that an IQ of 71-85 is already average or above average intelligence? I'm afraid I don't follow your reasoning. It looks to me like you might at most be able to claim from these numbers that 44% is of average or above average intelligence. A little bit off-topic: Doesn't this website belong to the group of people that demonize and vilify (and even anthropomorphize) autism?

iamnothere 7y ago

Much more likely to be schizoid personality disorder [0] IMHO, but I am not a psychologist. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoid_personality_disorder