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Why would the landlord spend money on insulation to save you money on your electric bill? There's the problem.

oblio 7y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Performance_Certificate_(United_Kingdom) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Performance_Certifica... The article says UK but it's actually EU. As with most things, make it a legal requirement.
akie 7y ago
The government should enforce energy efficient building standards and tax those who don’t comply.
- vinceguidry 7y ago
  New building standards don't affect existing buildings. And they're not optional, so the tax isn't an option for non-compliance. Forcing existing landlords to retrofit to new building standards isn't even done for safety purposes, so it certainly isn't going to happen for energy efficiency. And calling for this to now be a thing, well, I can't think of a better way to get entrenched interests to suddenly lobby hard against every single new building reg.
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > New building standards don't affect existing buildings. No, but habitability standards do (or, technically, in general affect the legal ability to charge rent for units in existing buildings.) So, user those of your concern is recalcitrant landlords. > Forcing existing landlords to retrofit to new building standards isn't even done for safety purposes Yes, this is done (not always, but it does happen), through habitability standards beifn updated along with building standards (or referencing them.)
    - vinceguidry 7y ago
      I just went and looked at habitability standards, there's no way to get energy efficiency out of that mechanism, at best you could make landlords install ceiling fans. And the only example I can think of for the latter was for asbestos. If being as horrible as asbestos is the bar you have to clear, regulation isn't a viable option and we're stuck with market solutions.
- vgetr 7y ago
  They could, but then the costs will just be passed down to the tenants (i.e. increased rent).
  - Dylan16807 7y ago
    Even with the cost of insulation upgrades added to the rent, that's still cheaper total.
    - antepodius 7y ago
      Depends on how much the costs of insulation upgrades are blown out of proportion by being mandated.
      - Dylan16807 7y ago
        For something that has to be done to most houses, I would expect a pretty large and competitive market.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Performance_Certificate_(United_Kingdom) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Performance_Certifica... The article says UK but it's actually EU. As with most things, make it a legal requirement.

akie 7y ago

The government should enforce energy efficient building standards and tax those who don’t comply.

vinceguidry 7y ago
New building standards don't affect existing buildings. And they're not optional, so the tax isn't an option for non-compliance. Forcing existing landlords to retrofit to new building standards isn't even done for safety purposes, so it certainly isn't going to happen for energy efficiency. And calling for this to now be a thing, well, I can't think of a better way to get entrenched interests to suddenly lobby hard against every single new building reg.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > New building standards don't affect existing buildings. No, but habitability standards do (or, technically, in general affect the legal ability to charge rent for units in existing buildings.) So, user those of your concern is recalcitrant landlords. > Forcing existing landlords to retrofit to new building standards isn't even done for safety purposes Yes, this is done (not always, but it does happen), through habitability standards beifn updated along with building standards (or referencing them.)
  - vinceguidry 7y ago
    I just went and looked at habitability standards, there's no way to get energy efficiency out of that mechanism, at best you could make landlords install ceiling fans. And the only example I can think of for the latter was for asbestos. If being as horrible as asbestos is the bar you have to clear, regulation isn't a viable option and we're stuck with market solutions.
vgetr 7y ago
They could, but then the costs will just be passed down to the tenants (i.e. increased rent).
- Dylan16807 7y ago
  Even with the cost of insulation upgrades added to the rent, that's still cheaper total.
  - antepodius 7y ago
    Depends on how much the costs of insulation upgrades are blown out of proportion by being mandated.
    - Dylan16807 7y ago
      For something that has to be done to most houses, I would expect a pretty large and competitive market.