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I’ve seen less on the Windows 10 Pro version (switched off all datasending features on install).

by dzink 7y ago

starik36 7y ago
How does one do that?
parliament32 7y ago
Enjoy having them silently re-enabled on the next update. Enterprise is the only version where you can actually disable and it'll stay disabled, because most regulated corps would consider "telemetry" a data breach.
- blahyawnblah 7y ago
  I check them periodically and have never seen any of the settings turned back on.
  - raxxorrax 7y ago
    Me neither from updates, but I have random components of my system fail. Like the start menu search if you disable some telemetry services. It is telling that deactivating telemetry is the most significant feature of the enterprise edition.
- jrockway 7y ago
  There was one update that turned Cortana back on. I think it was the major feature update before the "Creators Update". It was the one where everyone (or at least me) thought they got hacked like in a movie. My computer was randomly turned off. I turned it back on and instead of the login screen, it just was a glowing "All your files are exactly where you left them..." Took me like 5 minutes of not being able to use my computer to get through, only to find that I wasn't hacked... but that was something Microsoft hired and paid employees to do. With that in mind, they haven't done anything like that since. Hopefully people are super mad about it.
  - sandworm101 7y ago
    >> Hopefully people are super mad about it. Unusual windows activity, random rebooting associated with "updates", is a force of nature. People are beyond anger. They just accept it as part of the natural world. Linux guys like me are the angry man standing on the corner saying that the world doesn't need to be this way, that we can choose not to live like this. But if you believe that something is natural and unavoidable, eventually that guy in the corner looks genuinely crazy.
- xbkingx 7y ago
  Odd. On the dozen Windows 10 PCs I've maintained from mixed vendors and self builds, some fresh installs, some upgrades from 7 or 8, I've never had any of these options reenabled. No fancy registry hacks or 3rd party blockers on 3/4 of the machines. A few have more aggressive telemetry disabling changes, and let me check this one... yeah, no changes. And this system has been abused, tweaked and untweaked 15 ways to bacon over the last 2 years on the same install. My guess is that people screw up their machines in a way that triggers some type of registry repair, or they encounter a problem and do a rollback or refresh in safe boot themselves, which will reset things like active services and scheduled tasks. Those fire up, see an unrecognized configuration, invalid entries, or missing entries, and reset those settings to a default. Seriously, I see these comments on things happening by magic in Win 10 - full apps installing themselves, setting gremlins flipping switches, advertisements eating people's children, etc.- and I've literally experienced NONE of them. Actually I had Error Reporting reenabled once after using the troubleshooting settings to clean the DNS cache instead of ipconfig. I've had plenty of issues to troubleshoot, mostly from my own tweaking, some out of my control, but the level of Win10 FUD is bizarre. tl;dr - More MS FUD. Don't use every hack posted by internet randos and check any deep customizations after using any automated repair tools.
  - parliament32 7y ago
    I promise it happens. https://www.pcgamer.com/hey-windows-stop-resetting-my-preferences-every-major-update/ https://www.pcgamer.com/hey-windows-stop-resetting-my-prefer... https://www.digitalcare.org/windows-10-update-changed-settings/ https://www.digitalcare.org/windows-10-update-changed-settin...
    - xbkingx 7y ago
      That first article is just a random journalist (user) Windows rant. I'd give it a 90% chance the root cause was user error. The second mentions: 1) Drivers being replaced, which is often cited as the overwhelming contributing factor of system instability. It was a huge factor specifically when the driver model changed in Vista and shotty 3rd party drivers is often credited as the single biggest reason Vista flopped. They're anal about drivers, but MS provides ways to prevent drivers from being updated automatically. They list printers being uninstalled as a separate thing, but probably same root cause. Printers and their software hold the top ranking on the "WTF is all this shit?" Scale. Ads turned back on? Never happened on any of these systems. There might have been some feature that was added in an early release (both articles were written in 2017), but if there was, it was a toggle in the settings to disable it. Default apps being reset actually DID happen to me once, now that I think about it. It's literally a 5 second fix, which is why I forgot about it. That article also links to MakeUseOf articles that promote installing 3rd party apps to do things like redirect Cortana, set default programs, etc. Gee, use some rando internet person's hack to change default apps and at the next update the default apps are reset to default? Must be Microsoft's fault. Let's mess with Cortana, which can be used to recommend (advertise) apps and services by examining the user's history (telemetry). What? All the telemetry tweaks and ad settings have changed. OMG MS you so bad! Sorry, M$ you so bad! (Gotta have that late 90s childish Developers Developers Developers rage.) The overwhelming takeaways are: A) If you're going to spend hours of your life at the computer, spend 30 minutes looking over the settings for each major release, which happens once every year or so. Same goes for your phones/tablets. B) Use the tools provided to tweak first and resort to 3rd party hacks only if they're reversible, you know exactly what they do, and you could perform the same changes manually.
PascLeRasc 7y ago
"less ads" for $99 [1] isn't a great value proposition to me. [1] https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/upgrade-windows-10-pro/ https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/upgrade-windows-10-pro/

I’ve seen less on the Windows 10 Pro version (switched off all datasending features on install).

by dzink 7y ago

I’ve seen less on the Windows 10 Pro version (switched off all datasending features on install).

starik36 7y ago

How does one do that?

parliament32 7y ago

Enjoy having them silently re-enabled on the next update. Enterprise is the only version where you can actually disable and it'll stay disabled, because most regulated corps would consider "telemetry" a data breach.

blahyawnblah 7y ago
I check them periodically and have never seen any of the settings turned back on.
- raxxorrax 7y ago
  Me neither from updates, but I have random components of my system fail. Like the start menu search if you disable some telemetry services. It is telling that deactivating telemetry is the most significant feature of the enterprise edition.
jrockway 7y ago
There was one update that turned Cortana back on. I think it was the major feature update before the "Creators Update". It was the one where everyone (or at least me) thought they got hacked like in a movie. My computer was randomly turned off. I turned it back on and instead of the login screen, it just was a glowing "All your files are exactly where you left them..." Took me like 5 minutes of not being able to use my computer to get through, only to find that I wasn't hacked... but that was something Microsoft hired and paid employees to do. With that in mind, they haven't done anything like that since. Hopefully people are super mad about it.
- sandworm101 7y ago
  >> Hopefully people are super mad about it. Unusual windows activity, random rebooting associated with "updates", is a force of nature. People are beyond anger. They just accept it as part of the natural world. Linux guys like me are the angry man standing on the corner saying that the world doesn't need to be this way, that we can choose not to live like this. But if you believe that something is natural and unavoidable, eventually that guy in the corner looks genuinely crazy.
xbkingx 7y ago
Odd. On the dozen Windows 10 PCs I've maintained from mixed vendors and self builds, some fresh installs, some upgrades from 7 or 8, I've never had any of these options reenabled. No fancy registry hacks or 3rd party blockers on 3/4 of the machines. A few have more aggressive telemetry disabling changes, and let me check this one... yeah, no changes. And this system has been abused, tweaked and untweaked 15 ways to bacon over the last 2 years on the same install. My guess is that people screw up their machines in a way that triggers some type of registry repair, or they encounter a problem and do a rollback or refresh in safe boot themselves, which will reset things like active services and scheduled tasks. Those fire up, see an unrecognized configuration, invalid entries, or missing entries, and reset those settings to a default. Seriously, I see these comments on things happening by magic in Win 10 - full apps installing themselves, setting gremlins flipping switches, advertisements eating people's children, etc.- and I've literally experienced NONE of them. Actually I had Error Reporting reenabled once after using the troubleshooting settings to clean the DNS cache instead of ipconfig. I've had plenty of issues to troubleshoot, mostly from my own tweaking, some out of my control, but the level of Win10 FUD is bizarre. tl;dr - More MS FUD. Don't use every hack posted by internet randos and check any deep customizations after using any automated repair tools.
- parliament32 7y ago
  I promise it happens. https://www.pcgamer.com/hey-windows-stop-resetting-my-preferences-every-major-update/ https://www.pcgamer.com/hey-windows-stop-resetting-my-prefer... https://www.digitalcare.org/windows-10-update-changed-settings/ https://www.digitalcare.org/windows-10-update-changed-settin...
  - xbkingx 7y ago
    That first article is just a random journalist (user) Windows rant. I'd give it a 90% chance the root cause was user error. The second mentions: 1) Drivers being replaced, which is often cited as the overwhelming contributing factor of system instability. It was a huge factor specifically when the driver model changed in Vista and shotty 3rd party drivers is often credited as the single biggest reason Vista flopped. They're anal about drivers, but MS provides ways to prevent drivers from being updated automatically. They list printers being uninstalled as a separate thing, but probably same root cause. Printers and their software hold the top ranking on the "WTF is all this shit?" Scale. Ads turned back on? Never happened on any of these systems. There might have been some feature that was added in an early release (both articles were written in 2017), but if there was, it was a toggle in the settings to disable it. Default apps being reset actually DID happen to me once, now that I think about it. It's literally a 5 second fix, which is why I forgot about it. That article also links to MakeUseOf articles that promote installing 3rd party apps to do things like redirect Cortana, set default programs, etc. Gee, use some rando internet person's hack to change default apps and at the next update the default apps are reset to default? Must be Microsoft's fault. Let's mess with Cortana, which can be used to recommend (advertise) apps and services by examining the user's history (telemetry). What? All the telemetry tweaks and ad settings have changed. OMG MS you so bad! Sorry, M$ you so bad! (Gotta have that late 90s childish Developers Developers Developers rage.) The overwhelming takeaways are: A) If you're going to spend hours of your life at the computer, spend 30 minutes looking over the settings for each major release, which happens once every year or so. Same goes for your phones/tablets. B) Use the tools provided to tweak first and resort to 3rd party hacks only if they're reversible, you know exactly what they do, and you could perform the same changes manually.

PascLeRasc 7y ago

"less ads" for $99 [1] isn't a great value proposition to me. [1] https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/upgrade-windows-10-pro/ https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/upgrade-windows-10-pro/