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So I've recently started driving a Model 3 and am a Tesla and Musk fanboy. That being said, I can still acknowledge things that are wrong. The major issue is p
by donkeyd 7y ago
So I've recently started driving a Model 3 and am a Tesla and Musk fanboy. That being said, I can still acknowledge things that are wrong.
The major issue is people depending too much on the system. I think it's great that the 'autopilot nag' is much harsher than in the US (except for low speeds, in stop and go, it's flawless and nags too much here). The static object thing is an issue, yes, but it's massively overblown by people who tend not to drive a Tesla, because the driver can easily spot them (if they're paying attention) and apply corrective measures. I say this, because as of right now, Autopilot is a driving aid, not a replacement. (Yes, people have something to say about marketing, but that's a different discussion.)
To me, the biggest issues with Autopilot (as it is supposed to be used today), are phantom braking and unexpected steering inputs. These require instant correction, are completely unpredictable and have the ability to scare other drivers or even cause crashes. Also, they happen a lot. Finding static objects on a highway is much less common than just driving on a straight road while being tailgated and therefore the impact is much bigger.
Another thing is Autopilot unexpectedly disabling and the driver not being aware, because the indicator is not that clear. Sometimes it's a pleasant sound and if you don't look at the screen because you pay attention to the road, you might miss the visual indicator.
Outside of the US, the major issue is that it's being built for the US and isn't fully adapted to non-US roads and rules. The 'Emergency Lane Departure Avoidance' feature (enabled by default before every drive) caused massive issues in the Netherlands on roads that have shared bike lanes. Also, in the Netherlands we have 'rush hour lanes', which are actually the hard shoulder, which is temporarily designated as a lane, as indicated by a green arrow over the lane. Autopilot doesn't know this and wants to move over, because it thinks the lane ends.
To get back to your point, static object recognition is a small thing to overcome and is, so it seems to me, massively inflated by media that are heavily opinionated against Tesla. There's a much bigger problem in getting it working for every country and every weird situation. And there are things that humans do that I expect will be hard to pick up in an automated system. For example: spotting the driver next to you playing on the phone and passing for safety, seeing headlights reflected in a window and knowing a car is about to round a corner, etc.
- simion314 7y ago> static object recognition is a small thing to overcome and is, so it seems to me, massively inflated by media that are heavily opinionated against Tesla Why do you think so? There will be often enough stopped cars on the road to cause issues, or cement barriers, construction sites. Do you think that having a filter that removes the objects with speed== 0 from the AI is something an safety engineer should do ? For me it looks like optimizations game developers do when your video card/CPU is not powerful enough so small objects are ignored at a larger distance. Driver issues are a different topic, since they signed that TOS they will get all the blame for killing themselves. IMO true self driving(without a human driver) will need more powerful hardware so no safety compromising shortcuts/optimizations are done(not even 1)
- donkeyd 7y ago> Why do you think so? There will be often enough stopped cars on the road to cause issues, or cement barriers, construction sites. Yes, but it's one big thing. Fixing one big thing, usually, is much easier than fixing thousands of little things. My point wasn't that it's not important, it's that it's not the biggest problem, even though the (mostly uninformed) media and keyboard warriors are making it out to be, which is distracting from the actual issues. > IMO true self driving(without a human driver) will need more powerful hardware so no safety compromising shortcuts/optimizations are done(not even 1) Hardware 3 has only just been released and is apparently at least 10x more powerful. Give it a chance for the next couple months, anything is possible and we have to wait and see.
- simion314 7y ago>Yes, but it's one big thing. Fixing one big thing, usually, is much easier than fixing thousands of little things. I agree, but in this case may mean wait for the hardware to be powerful enough to be able to handle all the inputs in real time. >is distracting from the actual issues. What hardware/software more important issues are you referring ? Non related to that the bigger issues is the hype IMO, I only seen bad sentiments for Tesla and uber but not for the others that self driving companies. I personally really want self driving to be ready as soon as possible, I can't drive due to medical issues, I live about 10Km away from the city and having the mobility of a car would help me a lot(I am not exaggerating)