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Of course he doesn't, because it's obviously untrue. Newer versions of Windows 10 gives you the option to save all diagnostic data and view it, so that you can

Of course he doesn't, because it's obviously untrue. Newer versions of Windows 10 gives you the option to save all diagnostic data and view it, so that you can actually see what they send back.

eps 7y ago
Got a link for the instructions on how to do this?
- tallanvor 7y ago
  Here: https://www.thewindowsclub.com/diagnostic-data-viewer-windows-10 https://www.thewindowsclub.com/diagnostic-data-viewer-window... Or here: https://www.onmsft.com/how-to/how-to-see-the-diagnostic-data-windows-10-is-sending-to-microsoft https://www.onmsft.com/how-to/how-to-see-the-diagnostic-data... Quite a few sites have listed how to do this.
mirimir 7y ago
It's true that I can't, because that was years ago. But I do remember what I read. And some searching will find others who say the same. All of the angst about Windows 10 spying did force Microsoft to be more transparent. At one point, they were facing legal action from France and Brazil, and very likely other countries.
- belltaco 7y ago
  >But I do remember what I read There was actual fake news going around about it. Actual as in sponsored by Russia. So finding others saying the same isn't close to saying it happened, especially given many people have an axe to grind.
  - mirimir 7y ago
    So was this Russian propaganda? https://betanews.com/2017/06/30/france-drops-windows-10-privacy-case/ https://betanews.com/2017/06/30/france-drops-windows-10-priv... Or this? https://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-illegally-collects-data-at-install-says-brazil-prosecutor/ https://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-illegally-co... Or this? https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-office-365-banned-in-german-schools-over-privacy-fears/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-office-365-banned-in...
  - krageon 7y ago
    > fake news > sponsored by Russia I appreciate that this is a prevailing and popular narrative pushed by popular people, but that doesn't mean it needs to penetrate into a discussion between two civilised human beings capable of critical thinking. It would be best to keep at least this website as propaganda-free as we can.
chopin 7y ago
There's no way of verifying that the data shown is identical to the data being sent back. For me Microsoft has become untrustworthy as an OS vendor, enough for me to even scrap my Windows7 installations.
JeffDClark 7y ago
I just setup Windows on a machine for the first time in a decade, it was a very gross experience indeed. I do recall it asking a series of questions about sending data to MSFT that were all by default, opt-in. One of those options sounded a lot like a key logger. The entire install process was so full of dark patterns it was really quite unbelievable to me.

Of course he doesn't, because it's obviously untrue. Newer versions of Windows 10 gives you the option to save all diagnostic data and view it, so that you can actually see what they send back.

eps 7y ago

Got a link for the instructions on how to do this?

tallanvor 7y ago
Here: https://www.thewindowsclub.com/diagnostic-data-viewer-windows-10 https://www.thewindowsclub.com/diagnostic-data-viewer-window... Or here: https://www.onmsft.com/how-to/how-to-see-the-diagnostic-data-windows-10-is-sending-to-microsoft https://www.onmsft.com/how-to/how-to-see-the-diagnostic-data... Quite a few sites have listed how to do this.

mirimir 7y ago

It's true that I can't, because that was years ago. But I do remember what I read. And some searching will find others who say the same. All of the angst about Windows 10 spying did force Microsoft to be more transparent. At one point, they were facing legal action from France and Brazil, and very likely other countries.

belltaco 7y ago
>But I do remember what I read There was actual fake news going around about it. Actual as in sponsored by Russia. So finding others saying the same isn't close to saying it happened, especially given many people have an axe to grind.
- mirimir 7y ago
  So was this Russian propaganda? https://betanews.com/2017/06/30/france-drops-windows-10-privacy-case/ https://betanews.com/2017/06/30/france-drops-windows-10-priv... Or this? https://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-illegally-collects-data-at-install-says-brazil-prosecutor/ https://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-illegally-co... Or this? https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-office-365-banned-in-german-schools-over-privacy-fears/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-office-365-banned-in...
- krageon 7y ago
  > fake news > sponsored by Russia I appreciate that this is a prevailing and popular narrative pushed by popular people, but that doesn't mean it needs to penetrate into a discussion between two civilised human beings capable of critical thinking. It would be best to keep at least this website as propaganda-free as we can.

chopin 7y ago

There's no way of verifying that the data shown is identical to the data being sent back. For me Microsoft has become untrustworthy as an OS vendor, enough for me to even scrap my Windows7 installations.

JeffDClark 7y ago

I just setup Windows on a machine for the first time in a decade, it was a very gross experience indeed. I do recall it asking a series of questions about sending data to MSFT that were all by default, opt-in. One of those options sounded a lot like a key logger. The entire install process was so full of dark patterns it was really quite unbelievable to me.