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Societal norms are constantly evolving; what is normal today might have been unthinkable in the past when these studies were conducted.
by pfundstein 7y ago
Societal norms are constantly evolving; what is normal today might have been unthinkable in the past when these studies were conducted.
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- de_watcher 7y agoOr the surveillance cameras have pushed people to act because it looks awesome on youtube.
- rubber_duck 7y agoI think awareness of the effect changes the behavior more - at least for me - I usually wouldn't act in situations where someone needed help because I don't feel particularly qualified but knowing that nobody else is likely to respond I try to help. This makes social science even less reliable.
- jsjw7sbw 7y ago> nobody else is likely to respond They are now. But maybe after some time everyone will think someone will help them anyway and stop. And so the cycle continues.
- rubber_duck 7y agoI just try to help untill I see someone more qualified take over to avoid the issue. Don't know if it's because I'm aware of this effect or just maturing but I know when I was younger I just avoided situations like this and I had a few recently where I did actually try to help.
- archgoon 7y agoAlso; awareness of the bystander effect may have led to increased pro-activeness. This is really something that would need to have data going further back to figure out if the original effect existed. See another post in this thread where someone has recieved specific training to counteract the bystander effect.
- owens99 7y agoThis. Debunked is the wrong word (clickbait). It's a great thing if the bystander effect can be overcome or nullified.
- usaphp 7y agoI doubt that average Joe would know anything about bystander effect studies.
- cyborgx7 7y agoI have come across the bystander effect often enough in popular culture, that I would say a very significant amount of people is aware of the concept, even if they might not remember its specific name.
- pbhjpbhj 7y agoI guess you're in USA, I'd expect it to be a large minority in UK - everyone who ever did a first-aid course should know about it for starters.
- clort 7y agoalso, the way I read it is that bystander effect was posited to be something like nobody else is doing anything and therefore I won't do anything but if society has changed and somebody does get involved, it would be more like that other guy is doing something and therefore I will get involved too because we are social animals and we do what feels right, what we see others doing. So, although the outcomes might have changed, the process is still the same. I remember reading a book some years ago (Lauren Slater, Opening Skinners Box) about some of the psychological experiments which had been done in the past. One of the general conclusions of those experiments that stood out to me seemed to be that only about 30% of people would actively take initiative if given the chance, but that generall people would follow social leads. I remember passing this book around at work to a couple of friends who both said that they felt that reading about this concept made them feel as if they were more aware of the social pressures to not act in situations and that they would therefore be more likely to step up as a result.
- watwut 7y agoYep. I used not to act in situations, because I assumed it is not my business, that I will look like nosy idiot who messes into things without them being her business and nothing is the correct/expected/respectful action. Some articles I read convinced me of the opposite, that it is ok for me to react and the previous passive strategy often amounts to enabling. Therefore, I act differently now.