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Austria. In Germany it is the same ir worse. They introduced a deposit fee on plastic bottles a few years ago because the percentage of glas bottles sold was to

by hn23 7y ago

Austria. In Germany it is the same ir worse. They introduced a deposit fee on plastic bottles a few years ago because the percentage of glas bottles sold was too low. So all super markets started to create their own proprietary bottles (only to be returned to the originator; not any shop as a glas bottle) and now even more plastic bottles are sold and not returned. Markets like REWE or ALDI make some extra money.

ysleepy 7y ago
Germany has a return rate of PET single-use bottles with deposit of 98.8%. Of which ~95% are recycled.
- Scoundreller 7y ago
  I wonder how much the numerator is biased by fraud like: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/05/fraudster-made-1m-from-recycling-bottles-german-court-hears https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/05/fraudster-made... and https://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/topic/52114-lithuanian-scam-on-german-bottle-deposit-returns/ https://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/topic/52114-lithuanian-... Apparently you could produce fake bottles for a few cents and get a 5-15x return.
  - BjoernKW 7y ago
    I'm not sure about the prevalence of this issue today but about 10 years ago I helped create a fraud protection system specifically targeted at deposit return fraud. However, at the time at least the problem apparently wasn't so much people manipulating return machines but rather bottles miraculously appearing out of nowhere from within the system (i.e. parties trying to register a bunch of bottles more than once or attempting to remove bottles in-between checkpoints in order to "reuse" them later on).
- hn23 7y ago
  My point is: The idea of the law was to reduce the plastic output but quite the opposite happened. Every bigger company introduced their own version of plastic bottles you cannot bring somewhere else. Also your number is also very specific: Are there non PET single use bottles as well? What counts as recycling anyway. Shipping to China? Burning?

by hn23 7y ago

ysleepy 7y ago

Germany has a return rate of PET single-use bottles with deposit of 98.8%. Of which ~95% are recycled.

Scoundreller 7y ago
I wonder how much the numerator is biased by fraud like: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/05/fraudster-made-1m-from-recycling-bottles-german-court-hears https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/apr/05/fraudster-made... and https://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/topic/52114-lithuanian-scam-on-german-bottle-deposit-returns/ https://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/topic/52114-lithuanian-... Apparently you could produce fake bottles for a few cents and get a 5-15x return.
- BjoernKW 7y ago
  I'm not sure about the prevalence of this issue today but about 10 years ago I helped create a fraud protection system specifically targeted at deposit return fraud. However, at the time at least the problem apparently wasn't so much people manipulating return machines but rather bottles miraculously appearing out of nowhere from within the system (i.e. parties trying to register a bunch of bottles more than once or attempting to remove bottles in-between checkpoints in order to "reuse" them later on).
hn23 7y ago
My point is: The idea of the law was to reduce the plastic output but quite the opposite happened. Every bigger company introduced their own version of plastic bottles you cannot bring somewhere else. Also your number is also very specific: Are there non PET single use bottles as well? What counts as recycling anyway. Shipping to China? Burning?