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I found the sub-story more fascinating than the nuclear incidence. If I understand it correctly, one purpose of these "research" submarines is to find and possi

I found the sub-story more fascinating than the nuclear incidence. If I understand it correctly, one purpose of these "research" submarines is to find and possibly sabotage undersea communication lines. Well, talk about national security threat, isn't this a very serious threat to the Internet? I'd love to see more articles about this vector of attack.

joewee 7y ago
The story doesn’t say anything about sabotaging. Tapping the cables is most likely. But this was in Russian waters so they could have been looking for taps or looking for foreign subs doing the same. Cutting lines has happened accidentally but I don’t think it would be very useful for a adversary with the capability to tap and monitor.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  Militaries spend a lot of time dicking around like in order to keep everyone well practiced. Maybe they were looking for taps but they were probably just practicing, or training the new guy, or re-certifying the robotic arm, or drawing dicks on a sunken fishing boat or some other mundane task.
notinversed 7y ago
The primary role of subs has been intelligence for as long as subs have existed. One of the first missions subs carried out in WW1 was cutting undersea cables. Despite all the undue attention placed on the combat U-Boats and their limited success in sinking merchant ships, the history of submarines is primarily the history of getting in good positions to tap cables or radio frequencies or put people in places. There is very little need for torpedoes or missiles anymore, outside of creating dramatic scenes in the movies.
- taheca 7y ago
  Well, I mean a third of the US Nuclear arsenal is on Boomer subs, so that is not exactly true.
  - ryanmercer 7y ago
    They don't just patrol waiting to launch nuclear weapons though. Subs track other ships first and foremost, they have to for their own survival. And as has been pointed out previously in this thread, they can also tap cables as well as eavesdrop on radio transmissions. They can even use hydrophones to detect things like construction, mining, and even weapons testing. https://www.public.navy.mil/subfor/underseawarfaremagazine/Issues/Archives/issue_06/more_submarines.html https://www.public.navy.mil/subfor/underseawarfaremagazine/I... >Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (ISR). Submarines provide the nation a crucial intelligence-gathering capability that cannot be replicated by other means. Operated with care and cunning and deploying multiple sensors, submarines can monitor happenings in the air, surface, or subsurface littoral battlespace, providing a complete picture of events across all intelligence disciplines. They are also an intelligence "force-multiplier," providing tip-offs of high interest events to other collection assets. Submarines are able to monitor underwater incidents and phenomena not detectable by any other sensor. Since they are able to conduct extended operations in areas inaccessible to other platforms or systems, submarines can intercept signals of critical importance for monitoring international developments. The unique look-angle provided by a submarine operating in the littoral region enables it to intercept high interest signal formats that are invisible to reconnaissance satellites or other collection platforms. Furthermore, the ability to dwell covertly for extended periods defeats efforts to evade or deceive collection by satellites and other sensors. The intelligence gleaned from submarine operations ranges from highly technical details of military platforms, command and control infrastructure, weapons systems and sensors to unique intelligence on potential adversaries' strategic and operational intentions. Our submarines can provide real time alertment to National Command Authorities on indications of imminent hostilities. And unlike other intelligence collection systems such as satellites or reconnaissance aircraft, submarines are full-fledged warfighting platforms carrying significant offensive firepower.
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  - notinversed 7y ago
    The nuclear deterrence is definitely a capability and something they drill on regularly, but at the end of the day it's a low priority mission, even on a modern nuclear attack sub.
joezydeco 7y ago
Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jimmy_Carter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jimmy_Carter “Jimmy Carter has additional maneuvering devices fitted fore and aft that allow her to keep station over selected targets in odd currents. Intelligence experts speculate that the MMP may find use in missions as an underwater splicing chamber for optical fiber cables.”

joewee 7y ago

The story doesn’t say anything about sabotaging. Tapping the cables is most likely. But this was in Russian waters so they could have been looking for taps or looking for foreign subs doing the same. Cutting lines has happened accidentally but I don’t think it would be very useful for a adversary with the capability to tap and monitor.

dsfyu404ed 7y ago
Militaries spend a lot of time dicking around like in order to keep everyone well practiced. Maybe they were looking for taps but they were probably just practicing, or training the new guy, or re-certifying the robotic arm, or drawing dicks on a sunken fishing boat or some other mundane task.

notinversed 7y ago

The primary role of subs has been intelligence for as long as subs have existed. One of the first missions subs carried out in WW1 was cutting undersea cables. Despite all the undue attention placed on the combat U-Boats and their limited success in sinking merchant ships, the history of submarines is primarily the history of getting in good positions to tap cables or radio frequencies or put people in places. There is very little need for torpedoes or missiles anymore, outside of creating dramatic scenes in the movies.

taheca 7y ago
Well, I mean a third of the US Nuclear arsenal is on Boomer subs, so that is not exactly true.
- ryanmercer 7y ago
  They don't just patrol waiting to launch nuclear weapons though. Subs track other ships first and foremost, they have to for their own survival. And as has been pointed out previously in this thread, they can also tap cables as well as eavesdrop on radio transmissions. They can even use hydrophones to detect things like construction, mining, and even weapons testing. https://www.public.navy.mil/subfor/underseawarfaremagazine/Issues/Archives/issue_06/more_submarines.html https://www.public.navy.mil/subfor/underseawarfaremagazine/I... >Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance (ISR). Submarines provide the nation a crucial intelligence-gathering capability that cannot be replicated by other means. Operated with care and cunning and deploying multiple sensors, submarines can monitor happenings in the air, surface, or subsurface littoral battlespace, providing a complete picture of events across all intelligence disciplines. They are also an intelligence "force-multiplier," providing tip-offs of high interest events to other collection assets. Submarines are able to monitor underwater incidents and phenomena not detectable by any other sensor. Since they are able to conduct extended operations in areas inaccessible to other platforms or systems, submarines can intercept signals of critical importance for monitoring international developments. The unique look-angle provided by a submarine operating in the littoral region enables it to intercept high interest signal formats that are invisible to reconnaissance satellites or other collection platforms. Furthermore, the ability to dwell covertly for extended periods defeats efforts to evade or deceive collection by satellites and other sensors. The intelligence gleaned from submarine operations ranges from highly technical details of military platforms, command and control infrastructure, weapons systems and sensors to unique intelligence on potential adversaries' strategic and operational intentions. Our submarines can provide real time alertment to National Command Authorities on indications of imminent hostilities. And unlike other intelligence collection systems such as satellites or reconnaissance aircraft, submarines are full-fledged warfighting platforms carrying significant offensive firepower.
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- notinversed 7y ago
  The nuclear deterrence is definitely a capability and something they drill on regularly, but at the end of the day it's a low priority mission, even on a modern nuclear attack sub.

joezydeco 7y ago

Start here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jimmy_Carter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Jimmy_Carter “Jimmy Carter has additional maneuvering devices fitted fore and aft that allow her to keep station over selected targets in odd currents. Intelligence experts speculate that the MMP may find use in missions as an underwater splicing chamber for optical fiber cables.”