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It's an nvidia problem, not a standard problem.

chrisseaton 7y ago
But I mean what's the point of declaring something to be a standard if the important people weren't interested in implementing and supporting it? Anyone can come up with a standard in isolation. Getting the relevant people on board and able and willing to support it is the useful bit. Did they say they'd support it? If they never said they did it seems unfair to criticise. Are you going to support my graphics standard that I just made up?
rat9988 7y ago
This is a standard problem. You can't be a standard if the market does't care about you. You are just a specification and guidelines.
- boudin 7y ago
  Intel and AMD cares about it. If the Linux desktop market would grow, Nvidia would quickly change their mind. Now, this market growing is another question... But for me, nvidia gpu are just not a possibility because they lack good drivers on Linux.
  - llukas 7y ago
    So how do you want to grow Linux market share if you say FU to a significant part of the potential market? Steam hardware survey is pretty clear about AMD:Nvidia GPU ratio.
    - ekc 7y ago
      (For gamers.)
    - chungy 7y ago
      Steam is a pretty niche userbase and not at all representative of the desktop market at large.
      - chrisseaton 7y ago
        I don't think so - I see nobody with a desktop computer these days except gamers or people running CAD or modelling who are basically doing the same thing as running a game.
        boudin 7y ago
        And all people using a computer for work...
      - llukas 7y ago
        The same can be said about Linux desktop share. Should we draw the same conclusions? Except gaming is not that "niche": 1.35 billion PCs worldwide - https://www.statista.com/statistics/610271/worldwide-personal-computers-installed-base/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/610271/worldwide-persona... 47M active daily and 90M monthly users for steam https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-now-has-90-million-monthly-users/ https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-now-has-90-million-monthly-use...
  - krageon 7y ago
    > If the Linux desktop market would grow You can think of any number of fantasy scenarios that would make one of the biggest GPU vendors care about your standards, but sadly that is not the world we live in. The world we live in is one where Nvidia has the best game support on the market (far, far better than AMD - let's not even think about Intel here) and therefore anyone who still plays games on a PC will own one of them unless they are some sort of AMD advocate. At the end of the day, nobody wants to be reading "we don't support this because they're not nice to us". That's going straight back to the linux dark ages of 15 years ago, where you needed to care about all sorts of weird and arcane details to get a functioning desktop system.

But I mean what's the point of declaring something to be a standard if the important people weren't interested in implementing and supporting it? Anyone can come up with a standard in isolation. Getting the relevant people on board and able and willing to support it is the useful bit. Did they say they'd support it? If they never said they did it seems unfair to criticise. Are you going to support my graphics standard that I just made up?

rat9988 7y ago

This is a standard problem. You can't be a standard if the market does't care about you. You are just a specification and guidelines.

boudin 7y ago
Intel and AMD cares about it. If the Linux desktop market would grow, Nvidia would quickly change their mind. Now, this market growing is another question... But for me, nvidia gpu are just not a possibility because they lack good drivers on Linux.
- llukas 7y ago
  So how do you want to grow Linux market share if you say FU to a significant part of the potential market? Steam hardware survey is pretty clear about AMD:Nvidia GPU ratio.
  - ekc 7y ago
    (For gamers.)
  - chungy 7y ago
    Steam is a pretty niche userbase and not at all representative of the desktop market at large.
    - chrisseaton 7y ago
      I don't think so - I see nobody with a desktop computer these days except gamers or people running CAD or modelling who are basically doing the same thing as running a game.
      - boudin 7y ago
        And all people using a computer for work...
    - llukas 7y ago
      The same can be said about Linux desktop share. Should we draw the same conclusions? Except gaming is not that "niche": 1.35 billion PCs worldwide - https://www.statista.com/statistics/610271/worldwide-personal-computers-installed-base/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/610271/worldwide-persona... 47M active daily and 90M monthly users for steam https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-now-has-90-million-monthly-users/ https://www.pcgamer.com/steam-now-has-90-million-monthly-use...
- krageon 7y ago
  > If the Linux desktop market would grow You can think of any number of fantasy scenarios that would make one of the biggest GPU vendors care about your standards, but sadly that is not the world we live in. The world we live in is one where Nvidia has the best game support on the market (far, far better than AMD - let's not even think about Intel here) and therefore anyone who still plays games on a PC will own one of them unless they are some sort of AMD advocate. At the end of the day, nobody wants to be reading "we don't support this because they're not nice to us". That's going straight back to the linux dark ages of 15 years ago, where you needed to care about all sorts of weird and arcane details to get a functioning desktop system.