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You forgot the part about how Emperor G would come and burn your house to the ground if you tried to build outside the city because building houses was his idea

You forgot the part about how Emperor G would come and burn your house to the ground if you tried to build outside the city because building houses was his idea. But wait, they didn't invent building houses. But Arbiter W lives in the walled city and the Emperor gives him gifts. Arbiter W considers Emperor G to be the person who owns the idea of building houses, and Aribter W is the one that sent the arsons out to your place, so you are now shit out of luck with a burning house.

emiliobumachar 7y ago
I'm sorry, this just flew over my head. What is this analogy about? Is Google DoS'ing third party websites? Deranking them? Suing for patent infringement? Who's W?
- bad_good_guy 7y ago
  I believe it is W for Washington
- DavinMiler 7y ago
  Presumably OP was referring to big companies skirting around data laws and heavy lobbying by said companies. W would be the US government or similar.
- 19870213 7y ago
  If you want to livestream on Youtube, you aren't allowed to mention or link to other livestreaming solutions, such as Twitch.
  - csdreamer7 7y ago
    Someone needs to tell Linus Tech Tips that. They mention the Twitch or Floatplane streams or streaming all the time. Either last week or the week before that they had an issue with the Youtube and Floatplane streams, but Twitch was doing fine. Would you link to those rules? Curious what the exact text is.
    - scruple 7y ago
      I don't know the rules, I'm not a YouTuber. I don't think anyone has ever accused Google or YouTube of applying their rules equally, though.
    - belorn 7y ago
      They did get a strike about that, or possible several times. For example, https://twitter.com/linustech/status/1008752236027973632?lang=en https://twitter.com/linustech/status/1008752236027973632?lan... talks about it and I strongly remember a wan show being almost dedicated to the same topic. If I recall right, they have said that there were not that many users who came from youtube so it doesn't matter much, and that wan show itself isn't really a money maker in the first place but rather a place where they can vent and just talk a bit about random stuff. They later changed their setup so the same stream goes to youtube, twitch and floatplane at the same time but they don't know if that is within the youtube rules.
      - Thorrez 7y ago
        Here's where they talk about it: https://youtu.be/SKtJY6soCds?t=698 https://youtu.be/SKtJY6soCds?t=698
      - philliphaydon 7y ago
        Doesn’t floatplane stream to multiple services? You have 1 system to stream to many.
  - mankeysee 7y ago
    Doesn't Twitch have similar rules regarding not advertising other streaming sites? I mean, its reasonable trying not to give free advertisement for your competitors.
    - thendrill 7y ago
      Is it reasonable?
      - dvtrn 7y ago
        Maybe. Maybe not. I see it as another good reason to find viable and economical ways of hosting our own content independent of these platforms.
  - CobrastanJorji 7y ago
    YouTube's policy appears to ban videos that "promise users they will see something but instead directs them off site in order to view." As far as I can tell, mentioning that you have a Twitch channel should be fine, but creating a video called "my sick game livestreaming" whose content is a guy telling you to go somewhere else to watch your sick livestreaming might be seen as this type of spam. Honestly, that sounds pretty reasonable to me. Maybe I'm missing a story somewhere about them doing something worse? I think this is the policy here: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801973 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801973
    - chii 7y ago
      > creating a video called "my sick game livestreaming" whose content is a guy telling you to go somewhere else to watch your sick livestreaming might be seen as this type of spam. this happens a lot with many twitch streamers who also do youtube. I don't think it's banned under youtube.
  - wozniacki 7y ago
    Twitch gives you an outright ban if banned Twitch streamers are spotted anywhere on your stream -- whether or not it was intentional. Lighter cases get 90 day suspensions of Twitch accounts.
  - anigbrowl 7y ago
    The original analogy was that you're not allowed to build a house elsewhere. You seem to be analogously talking about selling said house within the perimeter of the original city.
- nabakin 7y ago
  Reminded me of patents
- hjek 7y ago
  Not OP, but reminded me of the X-Plane developer who was sued for publishing an app to Google Play[0]. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4523380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4523380
anigbrowl 7y ago
Vimeo, Twitch, Bitchute etc., none of whom seem to be getting shut down.
tamrix 7y ago
And if you built a really nice house and people saw leaving the city to join your new house community. The G would just buy your house and move everyone in the walled city.

emiliobumachar 7y ago

I'm sorry, this just flew over my head. What is this analogy about? Is Google DoS'ing third party websites? Deranking them? Suing for patent infringement? Who's W?

bad_good_guy 7y ago
I believe it is W for Washington
DavinMiler 7y ago
Presumably OP was referring to big companies skirting around data laws and heavy lobbying by said companies. W would be the US government or similar.
19870213 7y ago
If you want to livestream on Youtube, you aren't allowed to mention or link to other livestreaming solutions, such as Twitch.
- csdreamer7 7y ago
  Someone needs to tell Linus Tech Tips that. They mention the Twitch or Floatplane streams or streaming all the time. Either last week or the week before that they had an issue with the Youtube and Floatplane streams, but Twitch was doing fine. Would you link to those rules? Curious what the exact text is.
  - scruple 7y ago
    I don't know the rules, I'm not a YouTuber. I don't think anyone has ever accused Google or YouTube of applying their rules equally, though.
  - belorn 7y ago
    They did get a strike about that, or possible several times. For example, https://twitter.com/linustech/status/1008752236027973632?lang=en https://twitter.com/linustech/status/1008752236027973632?lan... talks about it and I strongly remember a wan show being almost dedicated to the same topic. If I recall right, they have said that there were not that many users who came from youtube so it doesn't matter much, and that wan show itself isn't really a money maker in the first place but rather a place where they can vent and just talk a bit about random stuff. They later changed their setup so the same stream goes to youtube, twitch and floatplane at the same time but they don't know if that is within the youtube rules.
    - Thorrez 7y ago
      Here's where they talk about it: https://youtu.be/SKtJY6soCds?t=698 https://youtu.be/SKtJY6soCds?t=698
    - philliphaydon 7y ago
      Doesn’t floatplane stream to multiple services? You have 1 system to stream to many.
- mankeysee 7y ago
  Doesn't Twitch have similar rules regarding not advertising other streaming sites? I mean, its reasonable trying not to give free advertisement for your competitors.
  - thendrill 7y ago
    Is it reasonable?
    - dvtrn 7y ago
      Maybe. Maybe not. I see it as another good reason to find viable and economical ways of hosting our own content independent of these platforms.
- CobrastanJorji 7y ago
  YouTube's policy appears to ban videos that "promise users they will see something but instead directs them off site in order to view." As far as I can tell, mentioning that you have a Twitch channel should be fine, but creating a video called "my sick game livestreaming" whose content is a guy telling you to go somewhere else to watch your sick livestreaming might be seen as this type of spam. Honestly, that sounds pretty reasonable to me. Maybe I'm missing a story somewhere about them doing something worse? I think this is the policy here: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801973 https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801973
  - chii 7y ago
    > creating a video called "my sick game livestreaming" whose content is a guy telling you to go somewhere else to watch your sick livestreaming might be seen as this type of spam. this happens a lot with many twitch streamers who also do youtube. I don't think it's banned under youtube.
- wozniacki 7y ago
  Twitch gives you an outright ban if banned Twitch streamers are spotted anywhere on your stream -- whether or not it was intentional. Lighter cases get 90 day suspensions of Twitch accounts.
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  The original analogy was that you're not allowed to build a house elsewhere. You seem to be analogously talking about selling said house within the perimeter of the original city.
nabakin 7y ago
Reminded me of patents
hjek 7y ago
Not OP, but reminded me of the X-Plane developer who was sued for publishing an app to Google Play[0]. [0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4523380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4523380

anigbrowl 7y ago

Vimeo, Twitch, Bitchute etc., none of whom seem to be getting shut down.

tamrix 7y ago

And if you built a really nice house and people saw leaving the city to join your new house community. The G would just buy your house and move everyone in the walled city.