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U.S. government staff told to treat Huawei as blacklisted

77 points by woodgrainz 7y ago

Leary 7y ago
Trump said last Friday that the issue of Huawei will be saved for the very end of US-China trade talks.
- pbhjpbhj 7y ago
  So in other words Trump is trying to hold Huawei hostage as leverage in the negotiations. He's doing a great PR job for China, no matter what he'll ensure USA come out of it looking like bullying assholes. Edit: yes, Xi Jinping can do anything he likes Trump will steal the headline.
  - YinglingLight 7y ago
    More of a bullying asshole than Xi Jingping using fentanyl distrubtion as a trading chip?
  - turk73 7y ago
    I disagree. I think Trump and his team are doing a great job negotiating with assholes and that we're not the biggest offenders in that category. It makes previous administrations look totally incompetent or sold out in comparison. I still hold out hope that the border will be taken more seriously as well and that we can shut down whoever is funding all the human movement designed to undermine Western governments. Also, Huawei can do business here, all they have to do is remove the Commie spy apparatus built into every device because many of those devices will find their way into sensitive locations and work. Then I wish the NSA would follow suit! We can have real security and real privacy in our time if we demand it. Trump is very bad on privacy, they want to man-in-the-middle every device. Just say no--say no for the same reason we don't want shitty chicom spy-tech in our gear. We want secure banking and secure comms, we are entitled to that as American citizens. The issue of terrorism, crime, pedos, is always the foot in the door. Don't let them get away with techno-tyranny and turning the US into a jail with no bars.
woodgrainz 7y ago
This whole on-again off-again relationship is incredibly unusual. Strange times we live in.
- jdsully 7y ago
  The government is still bound by law, and unless he formally removes them from the restricted entity list there isn't much choice on how to proceed. It is not legal to special case Huawei, they must act fairly within the entire class of restricted entities. Trump frequently gets tripped up on this - he wants to make decisions with immediate effect. He would be more effective if he played off it, "I'd love to fix that but we have to follow process first...".
  - woodgrainz 7y ago
    Fair points.
- kshacker 7y ago
  I had a manager like that. The bottom line is who he was talking to. Every decision was based on not losing face or winning the current meeting and if that meant affecting earlier decisions, he could roll the current meeting back also, no? Just not now, but later. The thing which helped him (survive( was that he owned (part of) the company so his decisions could not be questioned easily, same as our president.
devoply 7y ago
Once you have shown your hand, now the other side has a number of new contingencies to address over the coming years. Even if you strike a deal with them, you are putting off the inevitable. It's like Trump started a half-ass war that he was not really interested in even seeing through his term, more than long term. Don't think we have seen frenemies since before WWI.
Someone1234 7y ago
I don't see an issue if the US Government themselves wants to not use certain companies (foreign or otherwise). The issue is when the US Government tries to tell private US Companies who and how they should do business with certain foreign companies, and forgets to provide any actual evidence for their assertions. This all could be avoided by simply publishing what Huawei is meant to have done. Otherwise it just strikes of a trade-war/protectionism but using "cyber security" as a justification.
- Spooky23 7y ago
  It's illegal for a government entity to just decide they don't like somebody without due process. The carnival atmosphere in Washington is bad for everyone. The Tweeter-in-chief undermines his own authority by governing in the public square. It makes any counter-party position much stronger, as they can easily manipulate the emotions of the president, and the negotiators on the ground have very little leverage within the US camp. A random ad on TV may change strategy!
  - hnmonkey 7y ago
    Where in the law is it required that the government must offer due process in relation to contractual business deals with corporations? Is 'due process' even the correct term for that type of thing? You seem to be conflating the government punishing someone for crimes without due process to convict that person of said crimes.
    - Spooky23 7y ago
      There are a wide variety of laws around procurement and finance that govern these actions.
      - inetknght 7y ago
        But can you cite an exact one relevant to this conversation?
  - 7y ago
OrangeManBad 7y ago
Trump is treating China how China treats everyone- without any honor. (I mean Govt, people are very courteous)
quotz 7y ago
I am surprised how any Chinese companies came this far into the west, theyre all just communist arms disguised as big corps. Kudos to the chinese, its difficult to pull this off
hawaiian 7y ago
Huawei has been seen as a shady actor for over a decade now. It was during Obama's term that the House Intelligence Committee deemed Huawei a national security threat.

77 points by woodgrainz 7y ago

Leary 7y ago

Trump said last Friday that the issue of Huawei will be saved for the very end of US-China trade talks.

pbhjpbhj 7y ago
So in other words Trump is trying to hold Huawei hostage as leverage in the negotiations. He's doing a great PR job for China, no matter what he'll ensure USA come out of it looking like bullying assholes. Edit: yes, Xi Jinping can do anything he likes Trump will steal the headline.
- YinglingLight 7y ago
  More of a bullying asshole than Xi Jingping using fentanyl distrubtion as a trading chip?
- turk73 7y ago
  I disagree. I think Trump and his team are doing a great job negotiating with assholes and that we're not the biggest offenders in that category. It makes previous administrations look totally incompetent or sold out in comparison. I still hold out hope that the border will be taken more seriously as well and that we can shut down whoever is funding all the human movement designed to undermine Western governments. Also, Huawei can do business here, all they have to do is remove the Commie spy apparatus built into every device because many of those devices will find their way into sensitive locations and work. Then I wish the NSA would follow suit! We can have real security and real privacy in our time if we demand it. Trump is very bad on privacy, they want to man-in-the-middle every device. Just say no--say no for the same reason we don't want shitty chicom spy-tech in our gear. We want secure banking and secure comms, we are entitled to that as American citizens. The issue of terrorism, crime, pedos, is always the foot in the door. Don't let them get away with techno-tyranny and turning the US into a jail with no bars.

woodgrainz 7y ago

This whole on-again off-again relationship is incredibly unusual. Strange times we live in.

jdsully 7y ago
The government is still bound by law, and unless he formally removes them from the restricted entity list there isn't much choice on how to proceed. It is not legal to special case Huawei, they must act fairly within the entire class of restricted entities. Trump frequently gets tripped up on this - he wants to make decisions with immediate effect. He would be more effective if he played off it, "I'd love to fix that but we have to follow process first...".
- woodgrainz 7y ago
  Fair points.
kshacker 7y ago
I had a manager like that. The bottom line is who he was talking to. Every decision was based on not losing face or winning the current meeting and if that meant affecting earlier decisions, he could roll the current meeting back also, no? Just not now, but later. The thing which helped him (survive( was that he owned (part of) the company so his decisions could not be questioned easily, same as our president.

devoply 7y ago

Once you have shown your hand, now the other side has a number of new contingencies to address over the coming years. Even if you strike a deal with them, you are putting off the inevitable. It's like Trump started a half-ass war that he was not really interested in even seeing through his term, more than long term. Don't think we have seen frenemies since before WWI.

Someone1234 7y ago

I don't see an issue if the US Government themselves wants to not use certain companies (foreign or otherwise). The issue is when the US Government tries to tell private US Companies who and how they should do business with certain foreign companies, and forgets to provide any actual evidence for their assertions. This all could be avoided by simply publishing what Huawei is meant to have done. Otherwise it just strikes of a trade-war/protectionism but using "cyber security" as a justification.

Spooky23 7y ago
It's illegal for a government entity to just decide they don't like somebody without due process. The carnival atmosphere in Washington is bad for everyone. The Tweeter-in-chief undermines his own authority by governing in the public square. It makes any counter-party position much stronger, as they can easily manipulate the emotions of the president, and the negotiators on the ground have very little leverage within the US camp. A random ad on TV may change strategy!
- hnmonkey 7y ago
  Where in the law is it required that the government must offer due process in relation to contractual business deals with corporations? Is 'due process' even the correct term for that type of thing? You seem to be conflating the government punishing someone for crimes without due process to convict that person of said crimes.
  - Spooky23 7y ago
    There are a wide variety of laws around procurement and finance that govern these actions.
    - inetknght 7y ago
      But can you cite an exact one relevant to this conversation?
- 7y ago

OrangeManBad 7y ago

Trump is treating China how China treats everyone- without any honor. (I mean Govt, people are very courteous)

quotz 7y ago

I am surprised how any Chinese companies came this far into the west, theyre all just communist arms disguised as big corps. Kudos to the chinese, its difficult to pull this off

hawaiian 7y ago

Huawei has been seen as a shady actor for over a decade now. It was during Obama's term that the House Intelligence Committee deemed Huawei a national security threat.