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The common thread here seems to be "there are bad governments in the world, and mobile phones should allow people who want to oppose their own bad governments

The common thread here seems to be "there are bad governments in the world, and mobile phones should allow people who want to oppose their own bad governments to install apps that will help them in their opposition?" Honestly if our goal is to rid the world of truly bad governments then phone apps are in not in anyway the first or most effective method.

chii 7y ago
> rid the world of truly bad governments and who makes the judgement on what a "truly" bad gov't is? I say if you own the hardware, you should be allowed to install any app you wish on it. Apple can claim that this voids your warranty, but they (or any other actor (including the gov't)) cannot be allowed to _prevent_ you from doing it. .
- nkkollaw 7y ago
  > and who makes the judgement on what a "truly" bad gov't is? Maybe common sense, human freedom index, etc. Are you really arguing that as Westerners we cannot tell a bad government from a good one?
  - gatherhunterer 7y ago
    > as Westerners What distinction are you trying to make here? Many Western governments ( namely, the US and its closest allies) engage in warrantless wiretapping, unlawful search and seizure, imprisonment without due process, warfare without democratic authorization and even taxation and regulation without representation. None of these matters register on the radar of public concern. So can we, as Westerners tell the difference? Apparently not, but we sure are smug about our geographic orientation.
    - nkkollaw 7y ago
      Yup, the US are absolutely awful. That's why everyone wants to move there. Unless you're a college kid or just came out of college and you've just been brainwashed by your Marxist professors, I have no idea how you can have a vision that is so far from reality.
  - minikites 7y ago
    There are lots of people who think the USA has a good governmental model despite the fact that we never re-implement it when we're helping another nation rebuild. I think that's telling.
    - nkkollaw 7y ago
      Maybe it's too good, and you wouldn't want those nations to become superpowers ;-)
- edwintorok 7y ago
  Surely there has to be a way for you to install apps on your own device while developing new applications. So if the source code is available for an application can you compile and install it?
  - vikarti 7y ago
    It is. You also could make it possible to install for testers. But: - either 100 devices per developer account per year - or use TestFlight open beta test (as much devices as you want, users have to register in Testlight, app have to pass 'beta review') (I knew at least one app that uses TestFlight open beta as method of distribution: they just show 'enter login/password' on startup and change icon and name from time to time. Their android app is just apk+updater. Registration and payment is via website Reason for such measures? App does nothing bad for it's users but there are people who will say it's existence violates their right and costs them trillions of dollars) 3rd option is abuse of enterprise development certificate (which is intended for $BIGCOMPANY's own employees only)
wruza 7y ago
If it doesn’t work, why the ban? (ed: rephrased ambiguity)
HAL9000Ti 7y ago
I disagree, I think social media and its associated viral communication is one of the best way to fight against an oppressive government.

chii 7y ago

> rid the world of truly bad governments and who makes the judgement on what a "truly" bad gov't is? I say if you own the hardware, you should be allowed to install any app you wish on it. Apple can claim that this voids your warranty, but they (or any other actor (including the gov't)) cannot be allowed to _prevent_ you from doing it. .

nkkollaw 7y ago
> and who makes the judgement on what a "truly" bad gov't is? Maybe common sense, human freedom index, etc. Are you really arguing that as Westerners we cannot tell a bad government from a good one?
- gatherhunterer 7y ago
  > as Westerners What distinction are you trying to make here? Many Western governments ( namely, the US and its closest allies) engage in warrantless wiretapping, unlawful search and seizure, imprisonment without due process, warfare without democratic authorization and even taxation and regulation without representation. None of these matters register on the radar of public concern. So can we, as Westerners tell the difference? Apparently not, but we sure are smug about our geographic orientation.
  - nkkollaw 7y ago
    Yup, the US are absolutely awful. That's why everyone wants to move there. Unless you're a college kid or just came out of college and you've just been brainwashed by your Marxist professors, I have no idea how you can have a vision that is so far from reality.
- minikites 7y ago
  There are lots of people who think the USA has a good governmental model despite the fact that we never re-implement it when we're helping another nation rebuild. I think that's telling.
  - nkkollaw 7y ago
    Maybe it's too good, and you wouldn't want those nations to become superpowers ;-)
edwintorok 7y ago
Surely there has to be a way for you to install apps on your own device while developing new applications. So if the source code is available for an application can you compile and install it?
- vikarti 7y ago
  It is. You also could make it possible to install for testers. But: - either 100 devices per developer account per year - or use TestFlight open beta test (as much devices as you want, users have to register in Testlight, app have to pass 'beta review') (I knew at least one app that uses TestFlight open beta as method of distribution: they just show 'enter login/password' on startup and change icon and name from time to time. Their android app is just apk+updater. Registration and payment is via website Reason for such measures? App does nothing bad for it's users but there are people who will say it's existence violates their right and costs them trillions of dollars) 3rd option is abuse of enterprise development certificate (which is intended for $BIGCOMPANY's own employees only)

wruza 7y ago

If it doesn’t work, why the ban? (ed: rephrased ambiguity)

HAL9000Ti 7y ago

I disagree, I think social media and its associated viral communication is one of the best way to fight against an oppressive government.