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I don't get the down votes. You seem to have provided an interesting source that counters the parent's hunch. Must be that folks don't like the silver lining to

I don't get the down votes. You seem to have provided an interesting source that counters the parent's hunch. Must be that folks don't like the silver lining to a maybe-uninhabitable-by-humans environment.

mrfusion 7y ago
There’s stuff like this out there but you just need to have faith in the experts.
- briantakita 7y ago
  All hail the "experts", except for Dr. Valentina Zharkova, Dr. Heinrich Svensmark, Dr. John Casey, & Dr. Freeman Dyson; don't listen to these heretics of the faith.
  - dang 7y ago
    Please don't do flamewars on HN.
  - robotresearcher 7y ago
    I didn’t know some of these names so I looked all of them up. Cribbed from Wikipedia and their web pages: [Zharkova is] a Professor in Mathematics at Northumbria University. [She has a] BSc/MSc in Applied Mathematics and Astronomy, a Ph.D. in Astrophysics, certificate in project management. Henrik Svensmark (born 1958) is a physicist and professor in the Division of Solar System Physics at the Danish National Space Institute (DTU Space) in Copenhagen. He is known for his theory on the effects of cosmic rays on cloud formation as an indirect cause of global warming. Casey received his B.S in physics and math from Jacksonville State University and his MA in Management from Webster University. Freeman John Dyson FRS (born 15 December 1923) is a British theoretical physicist and mathematician known for his work in quantum electrodynamics, solid-state physics, astronomy and nuclear engineering.
- tomrod 7y ago
  Whoa whoa whoa, wait a minute. Argument by credential is a logical fallacy. It may be used in defense of a true point, but we should be very hesitant to assume because most/some/many experts agree on a point that the thinking is done. Now, I agree with you that climate science and forecasting is complex. However, the reports are public and known for anyone doubting, and the organization is highly transparent[0]. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_C...
- bassman9000 7y ago
  Good ol' scientific faith
losteric 7y ago
They are distorting the truth, either parroting that narrative out of genuine ignorance or an attempt to start some goal-post-moving trolling. At this point, informed people that would have typically countered are tired of seeing the same behavior on every other social media site. Dunning-Kruger, astroturfing, trolling - doesn't matter, just downvote the garbage. I'm not going to engage with it either. That kind of statement is just begging for a response because the goal moves in any number of directions - look, plants will sequester all our carbon! Solar minimum will counter human climate change! More food for people! It's all a conspiracy! No. There's a reason those climate change reports can be 100s of pages long. Scientists have done very thorough public research, accounting for all those variables - the conclusion is, we're fucked. All the science is complicated but completely public. Trust the summary provided by the consensus of journalists covering the scientific consensus of raw research - that's called an educated opinion. Alternatively, roll up your own sleeves and probe the research yourself. Never let some online rando's idle musings erode your opinions. If it sounds too good to be true, it is.
- xwdv 7y ago
  We’re not fucked. It’s just easier to believe that we are. The fact is... we don’t really know what will happen. Our world will be different, some animals may be gone, some will be better off than ever, but humans will still be here. The inhabitants of Earth have survived far worse conditions and events in the past.
  - Arbalest 7y ago
    > but humans will still be here Yes, but how many, and who. It's still an existential threat to invididuals, when you don't know what conditions that will make up that survivability. Now that it is apparent that there is the distinct possibility of people dying within our lifetimes, even if not many, it's a concern. It's basically "Evolution has decided that the time has come to select the strongest, and I don't know if I or my loved ones are strong enough."
    - candiodari 7y ago

mrfusion 7y ago

There’s stuff like this out there but you just need to have faith in the experts.

briantakita 7y ago
All hail the "experts", except for Dr. Valentina Zharkova, Dr. Heinrich Svensmark, Dr. John Casey, & Dr. Freeman Dyson; don't listen to these heretics of the faith.
- dang 7y ago
  Please don't do flamewars on HN.
- robotresearcher 7y ago
  I didn’t know some of these names so I looked all of them up. Cribbed from Wikipedia and their web pages: [Zharkova is] a Professor in Mathematics at Northumbria University. [She has a] BSc/MSc in Applied Mathematics and Astronomy, a Ph.D. in Astrophysics, certificate in project management. Henrik Svensmark (born 1958) is a physicist and professor in the Division of Solar System Physics at the Danish National Space Institute (DTU Space) in Copenhagen. He is known for his theory on the effects of cosmic rays on cloud formation as an indirect cause of global warming. Casey received his B.S in physics and math from Jacksonville State University and his MA in Management from Webster University. Freeman John Dyson FRS (born 15 December 1923) is a British theoretical physicist and mathematician known for his work in quantum electrodynamics, solid-state physics, astronomy and nuclear engineering.
tomrod 7y ago
Whoa whoa whoa, wait a minute. Argument by credential is a logical fallacy. It may be used in defense of a true point, but we should be very hesitant to assume because most/some/many experts agree on a point that the thinking is done. Now, I agree with you that climate science and forecasting is complex. However, the reports are public and known for anyone doubting, and the organization is highly transparent[0]. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_C...
bassman9000 7y ago
Good ol' scientific faith

losteric 7y ago

They are distorting the truth, either parroting that narrative out of genuine ignorance or an attempt to start some goal-post-moving trolling. At this point, informed people that would have typically countered are tired of seeing the same behavior on every other social media site. Dunning-Kruger, astroturfing, trolling - doesn't matter, just downvote the garbage. I'm not going to engage with it either. That kind of statement is just begging for a response because the goal moves in any number of directions - look, plants will sequester all our carbon! Solar minimum will counter human climate change! More food for people! It's all a conspiracy! No. There's a reason those climate change reports can be 100s of pages long. Scientists have done very thorough public research, accounting for all those variables - the conclusion is, we're fucked. All the science is complicated but completely public. Trust the summary provided by the consensus of journalists covering the scientific consensus of raw research - that's called an educated opinion. Alternatively, roll up your own sleeves and probe the research yourself. Never let some online rando's idle musings erode your opinions. If it sounds too good to be true, it is.

xwdv 7y ago
We’re not fucked. It’s just easier to believe that we are. The fact is... we don’t really know what will happen. Our world will be different, some animals may be gone, some will be better off than ever, but humans will still be here. The inhabitants of Earth have survived far worse conditions and events in the past.
- Arbalest 7y ago
  > but humans will still be here Yes, but how many, and who. It's still an existential threat to invididuals, when you don't know what conditions that will make up that survivability. Now that it is apparent that there is the distinct possibility of people dying within our lifetimes, even if not many, it's a concern. It's basically "Evolution has decided that the time has come to select the strongest, and I don't know if I or my loved ones are strong enough."
  - candiodari 7y ago