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>their original in-house motor tech has basically nothing in common with the motors used in the Model 3. What point are you trying to make here? The model 3 u

by tw04 7y ago

>their original in-house motor tech has basically nothing in common with the motors used in the Model 3. What point are you trying to make here? The model 3 uses a different motor because the target price band and performance requirements are different. If you buy a Cruze from GM it comes with a cheaper, less performant motor than a CTS-V.

maxerickson 7y ago
They are saying that if you don't put your different motor in your mass market product, then your mass market product isn't using your motor as a differentiator.
- zaroth 7y ago
  The Tesla motor(s) that Tesla puts in the Model 3 are considered the best in the field and significantly better in terms of performance and efficiency than the competitors. This has been shown through tear-downs as well as in the end result. I’m really not sure what the OP is trying to say. The TM3 motor is absolutely a differentiator.
- tw04 7y ago
  I guess define "different motor" - both the Model 3 and Model S/X motors were designed in-house by Tesla. It's not like they're ordering Model 3 motors from some Chinese ODM that makes the same motor for Tesla and Toyota and GM and Nissan and insert company. The Ford Mustang and Chevy Camaro both have a V8. They both consider their motors differentiators due to the specifics of THEIR V8 implementation. Just because other companies might be using the same basic design principles doesn't mean that their specific implementation of that design isn't a differentiator.
  - makomk 7y ago
    The Model 3 motor works on a fundamentally different principle to the ones in all Tesla's previous cars, but it's very similar to the motor technology used by all the other modern electric cars. The best analogy I can come up with is that it's like a company which has only produced diesel cars claiming their engine experience gives them an advantage over all the other car manufacturers who've been producing petrol cars for a while when announcing their first petrol car. (It's not a perfect analogy - a car manufacturer which did that could probably reuse a lot more of their existing engine tech and experience than Tesla could.) More specifically, Tesla's big advantage was that they had very sophisticated drive technology for using AC induction motors in electric vehicles. That's even where their name came from - this kind of motor was invented by Nikola Tesla originally. No-one else had this tech. With the Model 3, they abandoned this in favour of permanent magnet brushless motors very much like the ones all the other manufacturers were already using. Because of the very different way in which those motors work, they require completely different drive algorithms, pose entirely new engineering and materials challenges to manufacture, and give very different perforrmance characteristics. Tesla basically took all of the motor work that was supposed to give them a headstart, abandoned it, and started almost from scratch where the other manufacturers were years ago.

by tw04 7y ago

maxerickson 7y ago

They are saying that if you don't put your different motor in your mass market product, then your mass market product isn't using your motor as a differentiator.

zaroth 7y ago
The Tesla motor(s) that Tesla puts in the Model 3 are considered the best in the field and significantly better in terms of performance and efficiency than the competitors. This has been shown through tear-downs as well as in the end result. I’m really not sure what the OP is trying to say. The TM3 motor is absolutely a differentiator.
tw04 7y ago
I guess define "different motor" - both the Model 3 and Model S/X motors were designed in-house by Tesla. It's not like they're ordering Model 3 motors from some Chinese ODM that makes the same motor for Tesla and Toyota and GM and Nissan and insert company. The Ford Mustang and Chevy Camaro both have a V8. They both consider their motors differentiators due to the specifics of THEIR V8 implementation. Just because other companies might be using the same basic design principles doesn't mean that their specific implementation of that design isn't a differentiator.
- makomk 7y ago
  The Model 3 motor works on a fundamentally different principle to the ones in all Tesla's previous cars, but it's very similar to the motor technology used by all the other modern electric cars. The best analogy I can come up with is that it's like a company which has only produced diesel cars claiming their engine experience gives them an advantage over all the other car manufacturers who've been producing petrol cars for a while when announcing their first petrol car. (It's not a perfect analogy - a car manufacturer which did that could probably reuse a lot more of their existing engine tech and experience than Tesla could.) More specifically, Tesla's big advantage was that they had very sophisticated drive technology for using AC induction motors in electric vehicles. That's even where their name came from - this kind of motor was invented by Nikola Tesla originally. No-one else had this tech. With the Model 3, they abandoned this in favour of permanent magnet brushless motors very much like the ones all the other manufacturers were already using. Because of the very different way in which those motors work, they require completely different drive algorithms, pose entirely new engineering and materials challenges to manufacture, and give very different perforrmance characteristics. Tesla basically took all of the motor work that was supposed to give them a headstart, abandoned it, and started almost from scratch where the other manufacturers were years ago.