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Any country that is dealing with China today should think twice. A dictatorship (till death do us part) with brains - capitalism - faster than the capitalists.

Any country that is dealing with China today should think twice. A dictatorship (till death do us part) with brains - capitalism - faster than the capitalists. China wants to grow, at everyone else's expense. Walking shoulder to shoulder with every terrorist nation on the planet (You know a person from the friends they keep). Suppression (Tibet, Hongkong, Taiwan). I think its time the world woke up? I am glad the Trump team is listening.

saiya-jin 7y ago
The Blonde's administration and open support for barbaric regimes and murderers like Saudi prince, Erdogan etc. does much more evil in this world than what China did in last 10 years. Even if it would be equal, US can't have any moral high ground in today's world. They could fix tons of problems if they really wanted. But in reality Russians had to enter fight with ISIS to actually make a change. Makes you wonder if US army is really that incompetent or politics took over as usually.
- dractori 7y ago
  China has over a million people in concentration camps right now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps
  - hugi 7y ago
    And the US seems to really envy them, getting off to a slow start with just a few measly Mexican kids in their camps.
    - atomi 7y ago
      Indigenous Central Americans. Immigration from Mexico is near zero or negative. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-abo... Historically, the first people to colonize most of the western United States were Spanish, Mestizos and Mulattos coming up from Mexico not long after Hernán Cortés' conquest - i.e. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Pobladores https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Pobladores
    - Fjolsvith 7y ago
      I'm pretty sure the occupants of the Chinese concentration camps didn't climb a fence to get in there.
      - hugi 7y ago
        lol
- deleted 7y ago
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jaredklewis 7y ago
Yea, Trump wouldn’t want to tarnish his name by buddying up to a human rights abuser like China. That would be like turning a blind eye to the abuses of Saudi Arabia, Russia, and North Korea. /s Pretty confident Trump’s angle on China is economic, not humanitarian.
typon 7y ago
Unbelievable how Americans can be so brainwashed about their country's status in the world yet believe that they're completely "free"
- bluejekyll 7y ago
  America did not elect this administration by a majority of the popular vote. The electoral college did. It’s an artifact of the original founding of the country where there were checks and balances put in place to deny direct democratic rule. It’s been slowly rolled back over many years, but until we get rid of the electoral college, it always has the possibility of ignoring the will of the people.
  - BigChiefSmokem 7y ago
    Theres a good reason why we shouldn’t use direct democracy and the Founders where very clear about that.
    - spease 7y ago
      You mean the concern that the people might elect a demagogue...?
      - Fjolsvith 7y ago
        After the next 6 years of "America being greater", I am sure that your concern will definitely be a sticking point to returning to a majority rule election system.
      - aey 7y ago
        Yes, the concern is that in a direct democracy demagogues will be elected far more often and with far more extreme views. Bicameral parliamentary systems are even less prone to this since the prime minister is elected by the ruling coalition. But they have other problems.
    - onemoresoop 7y ago
tomp 7y ago
I don't understand why dproblem's reply is not just downvoted, but flagged... Literally Trump's doing nothing else that retaliating to China's own trade war that they've been waging for the past decade+... Except within a much more powerful and ruthless political system.
- pinkfoot 7y ago
  Do publish for us the litany of formal complaints that the USA has made to the WTO under the mechanisms allowed to them — to complain of China's trade practices. Or are multi-lateral, independently arbitrated, institutions not your speed?
- DoofusOfDeath 7y ago
  > I don't understand why dproblem's reply is not just downvoted, but flagged... I'm not sure the flagging is specific to that post. I think I've noticed a trend in the past few weeks where flagging of downvoted comments is much more common. It almost makes me miss Slashdot's commenting / meta-moderation system.
- simonh 7y ago
  I understand that and I agree China's trade practices were unfair and needed to be addressed. The way to do that is with co-ordinated and concerted international pressure based on consensus. Up against a united international front, China would have little option but to concede. However Trump is a nationalist and a unilateralist so he's simply incapable of doing it. Incidentally this is why nationalists are almost universally also climate change deniers - because climate change is a global problem that requires global collaboration and agreement, which Nationalists can't stomach. It's useful to understand the political forces behind a lot of these policies and therefore the connections between them. Instead of working with allies, the US is lashing out at both China and the tech companies trading with it as a group. This is forcing the tech companies to ally with China and start tech collaboration and transfer projects with them in order to save themselves. The Hygon Dhyana and Zhaoxin projects are examples of this. So instead of the non-Chinese international community being rallied against China, they are being forced in bed with them. Doing so also involves tech companies withdrawing investment and resources from the USA in order to limit their exposure to US trade sanctions. Long term, it's probably the single biggest and most counter-productive trade and technological development own goal in history. Pulling out of the Iran deal might beat it though. The way it's pushed Europe into collaborating with Iran on financial and trade links, sidelining the US payments systems, while also giving Iran the freedom to breach enrichment limits is definitely up there.
dang 7y ago
Please do not take HN threads on flamewar tangents or use HN for political (or national) battle. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20303294 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20303294.

saiya-jin 7y ago

The Blonde's administration and open support for barbaric regimes and murderers like Saudi prince, Erdogan etc. does much more evil in this world than what China did in last 10 years. Even if it would be equal, US can't have any moral high ground in today's world. They could fix tons of problems if they really wanted. But in reality Russians had to enter fight with ISIS to actually make a change. Makes you wonder if US army is really that incompetent or politics took over as usually.

dractori 7y ago
China has over a million people in concentration camps right now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps
- hugi 7y ago
  And the US seems to really envy them, getting off to a slow start with just a few measly Mexican kids in their camps.
  - atomi 7y ago
    Indigenous Central Americans. Immigration from Mexico is near zero or negative. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/06/12/5-facts-abo... Historically, the first people to colonize most of the western United States were Spanish, Mestizos and Mulattos coming up from Mexico not long after Hernán Cortés' conquest - i.e. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Pobladores https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Pobladores
  - Fjolsvith 7y ago
    I'm pretty sure the occupants of the Chinese concentration camps didn't climb a fence to get in there.
    - hugi 7y ago
      lol
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jaredklewis 7y ago

Yea, Trump wouldn’t want to tarnish his name by buddying up to a human rights abuser like China. That would be like turning a blind eye to the abuses of Saudi Arabia, Russia, and North Korea. /s Pretty confident Trump’s angle on China is economic, not humanitarian.

typon 7y ago

Unbelievable how Americans can be so brainwashed about their country's status in the world yet believe that they're completely "free"

bluejekyll 7y ago
America did not elect this administration by a majority of the popular vote. The electoral college did. It’s an artifact of the original founding of the country where there were checks and balances put in place to deny direct democratic rule. It’s been slowly rolled back over many years, but until we get rid of the electoral college, it always has the possibility of ignoring the will of the people.
- BigChiefSmokem 7y ago
  Theres a good reason why we shouldn’t use direct democracy and the Founders where very clear about that.
  - spease 7y ago
    You mean the concern that the people might elect a demagogue...?
    - Fjolsvith 7y ago
      After the next 6 years of "America being greater", I am sure that your concern will definitely be a sticking point to returning to a majority rule election system.
    - aey 7y ago
      Yes, the concern is that in a direct democracy demagogues will be elected far more often and with far more extreme views. Bicameral parliamentary systems are even less prone to this since the prime minister is elected by the ruling coalition. But they have other problems.
  - onemoresoop 7y ago

tomp 7y ago

I don't understand why dproblem's reply is not just downvoted, but flagged... Literally Trump's doing nothing else that retaliating to China's own trade war that they've been waging for the past decade+... Except within a much more powerful and ruthless political system.

pinkfoot 7y ago
Do publish for us the litany of formal complaints that the USA has made to the WTO under the mechanisms allowed to them — to complain of China's trade practices. Or are multi-lateral, independently arbitrated, institutions not your speed?
DoofusOfDeath 7y ago
> I don't understand why dproblem's reply is not just downvoted, but flagged... I'm not sure the flagging is specific to that post. I think I've noticed a trend in the past few weeks where flagging of downvoted comments is much more common. It almost makes me miss Slashdot's commenting / meta-moderation system.
simonh 7y ago
I understand that and I agree China's trade practices were unfair and needed to be addressed. The way to do that is with co-ordinated and concerted international pressure based on consensus. Up against a united international front, China would have little option but to concede. However Trump is a nationalist and a unilateralist so he's simply incapable of doing it. Incidentally this is why nationalists are almost universally also climate change deniers - because climate change is a global problem that requires global collaboration and agreement, which Nationalists can't stomach. It's useful to understand the political forces behind a lot of these policies and therefore the connections between them. Instead of working with allies, the US is lashing out at both China and the tech companies trading with it as a group. This is forcing the tech companies to ally with China and start tech collaboration and transfer projects with them in order to save themselves. The Hygon Dhyana and Zhaoxin projects are examples of this. So instead of the non-Chinese international community being rallied against China, they are being forced in bed with them. Doing so also involves tech companies withdrawing investment and resources from the USA in order to limit their exposure to US trade sanctions. Long term, it's probably the single biggest and most counter-productive trade and technological development own goal in history. Pulling out of the Iran deal might beat it though. The way it's pushed Europe into collaborating with Iran on financial and trade links, sidelining the US payments systems, while also giving Iran the freedom to breach enrichment limits is definitely up there.

dang 7y ago

Please do not take HN threads on flamewar tangents or use HN for political (or national) battle. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20303294 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20303294.