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The semiconductor is game-changing tech. When America allowed the Hygon Dhyana to be made, America fucked up. Hold it back. This is real tech. You can't let it

The semiconductor is game-changing tech. When America allowed the Hygon Dhyana to be made, America fucked up. Hold it back. This is real tech. You can't let it go. I'm for free societies, but free societies must defend themselves from societies organized to kill free societies. The semiconductor is real. Giving away this will pay poor dividends.

inflatableDodo 7y ago
Given that the vast majority of silicon fabrication is not in the USA, I think this ship may have possibly sailed.
amelius 7y ago
Has China yet built their own wafer-stepper?
pjc50 7y ago
This is ridiculous. Semiconductor manufacturing has been globalised for decades. The "other China" has had TSMC since 1987, and they are world leaders. > Hold it back It's technology. Talking about technology is speech. You can have free speech or technology export restrictions but not both. Why do people keep suggesting ways to keep America ""free"" that make it substantially less free? Especially since 9/11.
- simonh 7y ago
  To your last point, because they value their freedom to do things they want, more than they value your freedom to do things you want, and will throw you under a bus to get their way.
- scarejunba 7y ago
  Taiwan is not China.
- inflatableDodo 7y ago
  >It's technology. Talking about technology is speech. Further, the main difference between tools and technology, is story.
simonh 7y ago
Legal restrictions are in place and AMD had to be very careful how they went about it, but at the end of the day much of the technology is not exclusively American at this point. ARM is mainly British technology, owned by a Japanese fund. TSMC is Taiwanese. The Silicon cat is well and truly out of the bag. In fact Hygon Dhyana and Zhaoxin (collaboration with VIA, also Taiwanese) are largely responses to the trade war. Aggressive trade practices may be hurting China economically, but it is significantly accelerating their move towards technological independence.

inflatableDodo 7y ago

Given that the vast majority of silicon fabrication is not in the USA, I think this ship may have possibly sailed.

amelius 7y ago

Has China yet built their own wafer-stepper?

pjc50 7y ago

This is ridiculous. Semiconductor manufacturing has been globalised for decades. The "other China" has had TSMC since 1987, and they are world leaders. > Hold it back It's technology. Talking about technology is speech. You can have free speech or technology export restrictions but not both. Why do people keep suggesting ways to keep America ""free"" that make it substantially less free? Especially since 9/11.

simonh 7y ago
To your last point, because they value their freedom to do things they want, more than they value your freedom to do things you want, and will throw you under a bus to get their way.
scarejunba 7y ago
Taiwan is not China.
inflatableDodo 7y ago
>It's technology. Talking about technology is speech. Further, the main difference between tools and technology, is story.

simonh 7y ago

Legal restrictions are in place and AMD had to be very careful how they went about it, but at the end of the day much of the technology is not exclusively American at this point. ARM is mainly British technology, owned by a Japanese fund. TSMC is Taiwanese. The Silicon cat is well and truly out of the bag. In fact Hygon Dhyana and Zhaoxin (collaboration with VIA, also Taiwanese) are largely responses to the trade war. Aggressive trade practices may be hurting China economically, but it is significantly accelerating their move towards technological independence.