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Notch? What notch? I have an iPhone X and mine has ears which extend the display up into the top of the phone where the camera is placed to get my status bar ou

by jws 7y ago

Notch? What notch? I have an iPhone X and mine has ears which extend the display up into the top of the phone where the camera is placed to get my status bar out of the screen. Brilliant! I say.

wingerlang 7y ago
This is literally the way I feel about it as well. I’ve seen the ears as increased space rather than the notch cutting into the display.
- tapland 7y ago
  This is a very weird way of viewing the issue. The space is physically there, but because the size of the phone is ok anyway experience-wise it seems to be an extra feature?
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >This is a very weird way of viewing the issue. It's very weird to call it an issue as well. I remember what kind of phones we had until 2007. I've used infuriating devices from Android vendors as well. The notch is not even a first world problem....
    - piyush_soni 7y ago
      Well, depends on how you define 'first world problems'. But again, you should look at other phones today, not the ones from 2007. I thank my god every day that some companies finally had the courage to do original/innovative work to get rid of that. Not all of them will be successful, but honestly, the notch is nothing more than a compromise, and an ugly one at that.
    - schuke 7y ago
      Yeah. Old Casio watches have screens with notches, punches, dual screens, screens in screens... you name it. They’re fine. They actually work well and don’t bother anyone.
    - bostonpete 7y ago
      The whole point of this thread is how brilliantly elegant Ive's designs are. Yeah, it's all 1st (or 0th) world problems to talk about such issues -- that's a given entering into the discussion, not a reason to shut discussion down.
    - tapland 7y ago
      Well it can be called an issue. I wouldn't call it a problem though. What we are trying to solve is: We need more than just screen on the front of the phone, how do we solve this?
      - coldtea 7y ago
        By having more than just screen? We need a camera, let's have a camera. "We need more than just screen but don't want to have it visible" is an annoyance at best, not a problem we should be focusing on. Even design wise, there are several more severe problems with iPhones they could concentrate on...
        tapland 7y ago
        Now, I specifically clarified that I wouldn't call it a problem. Issue is not a weird word in development. There are a lot of actual big problems with your reasoning, but there are more productive things for me to concentrate on.
  - wingerlang 7y ago
    All I’m saying is that the notch doesn’t FEEL like it removes screen for me, rather ticks away the status bar making the notch “issue” not an issue at all.
    - thinkingemote 7y ago
      So it's an emotional response to something that if you applied some logical thinking to it you might see things differently?
      - toxik 7y ago
        It is an absurd position that your way of thinking is logical while the counterparty’s is emotional. In fact quite dishonest as a rhetorical technique. Less of a notch that is asymmetrical would look worse due to human preference for symmetry, and what the parent said is that the current solution does in fact put the statusbar at notch level. So why does it matter?
        thinkingemote 7y ago
        I suggest looking at the response the user made to the comment for a different reaction than your comment. Also i didn't say one way was better nor that I looked at it logically, or did I?
      - wingerlang 7y ago
        Well “logically” I absolutely hated it when it was announced, like it is a ridiculous thing to do. Actually using it and I don’t mind it a single bit, and that’s all that matters. I bet most people hating on it have not used it more than minutes.
        thinkingemote 7y ago
        Interesting! Good design is human in nature and may sometimes be against a colder logical approach. I do wonder about brand and identity though but those are harder to look at from a distance.
- et_tu_brewte 7y ago
  But it can’t show battery percentage.
- bluescrn 7y ago
  Somewhere between 4:3 and 16:9 (usable in portrait or landscape, obviously) seems an optimal screen shape for the vast majority of games and apps. (For a PC, 16:10 seems noticeably better than 16:9) Going wider than 2:1 doesn’t seem to be adding useful screen space, really
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anbop 7y ago
I wish those “ears” were more purpose built, like physical indicator LEDs for microphone and camera access, SSL, etc.
- Fnoord 7y ago
  Great idea. There could've been a LED plus hardware kill switch over there.
Dylan16807 7y ago
And what do I do with the parts of the status bar that don't fit on the ears?
- MrGilbert 7y ago
  On iOS? Nothing, 'cause there is no such thing. The "status bar" shows the battery indicator, the signal strength, and wether you are on cellular or wifi. On the left, you've got the name of the carrier you are currently using, whos text is scrolling. If it's unlocked, it shows the current time and if GPS is enabled. That's it.
  - chrisweekly 7y ago
    >"there is no such thing" Huh? iOS 12, iPhone X, swipe from top-right to reveal: Carrier, VPN status, Battery life as a numeric % ... none of which appear in the notch-level "ears". Which is fine (tho were it up to me, I'd prefer VPN status somehow integrated w/ signal strength indicators for cell & wifi).
    - 7Z7 7y ago
      I'm confused. The carrier, time, battery life, etc, are in the notch ears.. https://i.redd.it/1es9glox9t601.jpg https://i.redd.it/1es9glox9t601.jpg Maybe I'm misunderstanding you? edit: that was a genuine question
      - Dylan16807 7y ago
        The comment lists three things. Carrier, VPN status, and Battery life as a numeric %. None of those are in your screenshot.
jack_arleth 7y ago
This has got to be one of the best quotes that illustrates what I believe to be wrong about everything related to Apple and it's products: the blatant and worrisome repackaging of ideas and words. I'm not facetious at all when I say: Thank you for this quote. I'll save it and use it all the discussions I'll have on the subject from now on. It has really added a key-puzzle-piece to my understanding of the Apple-mindset. The "notch" (Who came up with the term anyway? I don't believe Apple actually identifies it with a name.) is most definitely meant to be a notch: when applications are full-screen the notch will actually "eat" a part from your screen. This was shown since day 1 of the introduction where a phone was on display with the Wonder Woman movie full-screened and HDR activated. This is Apple's intended and expected behavior. It's Apple's choice to put the "notch" front and center, not to hide it with software and even set up guidelines to ignore it in application development. Personally, I have an issue with notches and I will never own a device that has one. I find it a lazy, ugly and uninteresting way to increase the screen to body ratio of phones. But I'm somewhat glad with the current experimental designs that are being released by other manufacturers. It's refreshing to see different takes on the issue wether by popping up camera's, flipping over camera's or now even hiding camera's under the screen. Now that is innovation, that is design, that is actually looking for a solution for a very difficult problem. Instead Apple chose to put the "notch" front and center and to ignore it even going so far as to almost market it as a feature. Because look at all the high-tech stuff you get because of it. Sorry, I'm not buying it. And this shows the incidious marketing that Apple partakes in. It redefines words and ideas on an active basis: - A motherboard isn't a motherboard, it's a logic-board. It does exactly the same thing, it is exactly the same thing and even is produced in exactly the same way as motherboards. But somehow the brand on the shell makes it different. - A Mac is different from a Personal Computer and as Louis Rossman has indicated a Mac can "regress" into becoming a PC. How is this possible, it does the exact same thing, is build in the same manner, uses the same technology and serves the exact same purpose. - An "App" is basically a term that collects all the things that are software-y. A deamon? That's an app that runs in the background. A service? That's an app. A compiler? That's an app. A game? That's an app. A script? That's an app. A shell? That's an app. Etc... - A repository with a gui suddely is an app-store. No, it's a software repo with included DRM for free. - Durcing the introduction of the then new "earpod" design of the corded headphones that statement was made that they were engineered to guide audiowaves into your ears. Gee wiz Batman, what are all the other headphones doing then? - The CE Iphones were "unapologetically plastic". So they are just plain and simple plastic. Just like all the other manufacturers out there. - The famous "I'm a mac and I'm a PC" commercial is so obvious that it almost hurts. No, they both are PC's; they just look a little different. This repackaging of words and ideas is a very worrisome trend. It muddies the water when it comes to definitions of words and it eventually will lead to the muddying of the truth. Not only that, but if we accept this sort of repackaging with our PC and phone hardware; why should we not accept it in other aspects of our lives? Why should there not be alternative-facts, when there are alternative PC's? It's a mechanism in our psyche that is prone to abuse and therefore we should not partake in it, even if it maximises profits. It's all actually pretty simple, look at the definition of the word and if all of it applies; it sticks. How you feel about that does not matter.

by jws 7y ago

Notch? What notch? I have an iPhone X and mine has ears which extend the display up into the top of the phone where the camera is placed to get my status bar out of the screen. Brilliant! I say.

wingerlang 7y ago

This is literally the way I feel about it as well. I’ve seen the ears as increased space rather than the notch cutting into the display.

tapland 7y ago
This is a very weird way of viewing the issue. The space is physically there, but because the size of the phone is ok anyway experience-wise it seems to be an extra feature?
- coldtea 7y ago
  >This is a very weird way of viewing the issue. It's very weird to call it an issue as well. I remember what kind of phones we had until 2007. I've used infuriating devices from Android vendors as well. The notch is not even a first world problem....
  - piyush_soni 7y ago
    Well, depends on how you define 'first world problems'. But again, you should look at other phones today, not the ones from 2007. I thank my god every day that some companies finally had the courage to do original/innovative work to get rid of that. Not all of them will be successful, but honestly, the notch is nothing more than a compromise, and an ugly one at that.
  - schuke 7y ago
    Yeah. Old Casio watches have screens with notches, punches, dual screens, screens in screens... you name it. They’re fine. They actually work well and don’t bother anyone.
  - bostonpete 7y ago
    The whole point of this thread is how brilliantly elegant Ive's designs are. Yeah, it's all 1st (or 0th) world problems to talk about such issues -- that's a given entering into the discussion, not a reason to shut discussion down.
  - tapland 7y ago
    Well it can be called an issue. I wouldn't call it a problem though. What we are trying to solve is: We need more than just screen on the front of the phone, how do we solve this?
    - coldtea 7y ago
      By having more than just screen? We need a camera, let's have a camera. "We need more than just screen but don't want to have it visible" is an annoyance at best, not a problem we should be focusing on. Even design wise, there are several more severe problems with iPhones they could concentrate on...
      - tapland 7y ago
        Now, I specifically clarified that I wouldn't call it a problem. Issue is not a weird word in development. There are a lot of actual big problems with your reasoning, but there are more productive things for me to concentrate on.
- wingerlang 7y ago
  All I’m saying is that the notch doesn’t FEEL like it removes screen for me, rather ticks away the status bar making the notch “issue” not an issue at all.
  - thinkingemote 7y ago
    So it's an emotional response to something that if you applied some logical thinking to it you might see things differently?
    - toxik 7y ago
      It is an absurd position that your way of thinking is logical while the counterparty’s is emotional. In fact quite dishonest as a rhetorical technique. Less of a notch that is asymmetrical would look worse due to human preference for symmetry, and what the parent said is that the current solution does in fact put the statusbar at notch level. So why does it matter?
      - thinkingemote 7y ago
        I suggest looking at the response the user made to the comment for a different reaction than your comment. Also i didn't say one way was better nor that I looked at it logically, or did I?
    - wingerlang 7y ago
      Well “logically” I absolutely hated it when it was announced, like it is a ridiculous thing to do. Actually using it and I don’t mind it a single bit, and that’s all that matters. I bet most people hating on it have not used it more than minutes.
      - thinkingemote 7y ago
        Interesting! Good design is human in nature and may sometimes be against a colder logical approach. I do wonder about brand and identity though but those are harder to look at from a distance.
et_tu_brewte 7y ago
But it can’t show battery percentage.
bluescrn 7y ago
Somewhere between 4:3 and 16:9 (usable in portrait or landscape, obviously) seems an optimal screen shape for the vast majority of games and apps. (For a PC, 16:10 seems noticeably better than 16:9) Going wider than 2:1 doesn’t seem to be adding useful screen space, really

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anbop 7y ago

I wish those “ears” were more purpose built, like physical indicator LEDs for microphone and camera access, SSL, etc.

Fnoord 7y ago
Great idea. There could've been a LED plus hardware kill switch over there.

Dylan16807 7y ago

And what do I do with the parts of the status bar that don't fit on the ears?

MrGilbert 7y ago
On iOS? Nothing, 'cause there is no such thing. The "status bar" shows the battery indicator, the signal strength, and wether you are on cellular or wifi. On the left, you've got the name of the carrier you are currently using, whos text is scrolling. If it's unlocked, it shows the current time and if GPS is enabled. That's it.
- chrisweekly 7y ago
  >"there is no such thing" Huh? iOS 12, iPhone X, swipe from top-right to reveal: Carrier, VPN status, Battery life as a numeric % ... none of which appear in the notch-level "ears". Which is fine (tho were it up to me, I'd prefer VPN status somehow integrated w/ signal strength indicators for cell & wifi).
  - 7Z7 7y ago
    I'm confused. The carrier, time, battery life, etc, are in the notch ears.. https://i.redd.it/1es9glox9t601.jpg https://i.redd.it/1es9glox9t601.jpg Maybe I'm misunderstanding you? edit: that was a genuine question
    - Dylan16807 7y ago
      The comment lists three things. Carrier, VPN status, and Battery life as a numeric %. None of those are in your screenshot.

jack_arleth 7y ago

This has got to be one of the best quotes that illustrates what I believe to be wrong about everything related to Apple and it's products: the blatant and worrisome repackaging of ideas and words. I'm not facetious at all when I say: Thank you for this quote. I'll save it and use it all the discussions I'll have on the subject from now on. It has really added a key-puzzle-piece to my understanding of the Apple-mindset. The "notch" (Who came up with the term anyway? I don't believe Apple actually identifies it with a name.) is most definitely meant to be a notch: when applications are full-screen the notch will actually "eat" a part from your screen. This was shown since day 1 of the introduction where a phone was on display with the Wonder Woman movie full-screened and HDR activated. This is Apple's intended and expected behavior. It's Apple's choice to put the "notch" front and center, not to hide it with software and even set up guidelines to ignore it in application development. Personally, I have an issue with notches and I will never own a device that has one. I find it a lazy, ugly and uninteresting way to increase the screen to body ratio of phones. But I'm somewhat glad with the current experimental designs that are being released by other manufacturers. It's refreshing to see different takes on the issue wether by popping up camera's, flipping over camera's or now even hiding camera's under the screen. Now that is innovation, that is design, that is actually looking for a solution for a very difficult problem. Instead Apple chose to put the "notch" front and center and to ignore it even going so far as to almost market it as a feature. Because look at all the high-tech stuff you get because of it. Sorry, I'm not buying it. And this shows the incidious marketing that Apple partakes in. It redefines words and ideas on an active basis: - A motherboard isn't a motherboard, it's a logic-board. It does exactly the same thing, it is exactly the same thing and even is produced in exactly the same way as motherboards. But somehow the brand on the shell makes it different. - A Mac is different from a Personal Computer and as Louis Rossman has indicated a Mac can "regress" into becoming a PC. How is this possible, it does the exact same thing, is build in the same manner, uses the same technology and serves the exact same purpose. - An "App" is basically a term that collects all the things that are software-y. A deamon? That's an app that runs in the background. A service? That's an app. A compiler? That's an app. A game? That's an app. A script? That's an app. A shell? That's an app. Etc... - A repository with a gui suddely is an app-store. No, it's a software repo with included DRM for free. - Durcing the introduction of the then new "earpod" design of the corded headphones that statement was made that they were engineered to guide audiowaves into your ears. Gee wiz Batman, what are all the other headphones doing then? - The CE Iphones were "unapologetically plastic". So they are just plain and simple plastic. Just like all the other manufacturers out there. - The famous "I'm a mac and I'm a PC" commercial is so obvious that it almost hurts. No, they both are PC's; they just look a little different. This repackaging of words and ideas is a very worrisome trend. It muddies the water when it comes to definitions of words and it eventually will lead to the muddying of the truth. Not only that, but if we accept this sort of repackaging with our PC and phone hardware; why should we not accept it in other aspects of our lives? Why should there not be alternative-facts, when there are alternative PC's? It's a mechanism in our psyche that is prone to abuse and therefore we should not partake in it, even if it maximises profits. It's all actually pretty simple, look at the definition of the word and if all of it applies; it sticks. How you feel about that does not matter.