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I'd take asymmetric borders over having a large notch anyday. See S10+ next to an iphone XS Max [0]. It's subjective of course, but strictly looking at displa

by zild3d 7y ago

I'd take asymmetric borders over having a large notch anyday. See S10+ next to an iphone XS Max [0]. It's subjective of course, but strictly looking at display & bezels the "which is more aesthetically pleasing" question is not even close [0] https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NG5Wd9Px40o/maxresdefault.jpg https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NG5Wd9Px40o/maxresdefault.jpg

dpkonofa 7y ago
I don't know that I agree with that considering the S10+ has what amounts to a hole in the top right corner. The notch isn't great but I actually think I prefer seeing those 2 options side by side.
- CydeWeys 7y ago
  I prefer the hole, for two reasons: A lot less total space of the display is missing, and the part that is missing is one side rather than the middle, so you still have room for a mostly full width uninterrupted status bar.
  - simonh 7y ago
    And if you have no interest in Face ID that's reasonable preference.
    - sgc 7y ago
      Are you saying face ID is so fragile moving the camera 1 inch or less than an inch to the right kills all functionality? You manage to line your phone up so precisely each time you use it?
      - 7Z7 7y ago
        But it isn't just a camera, its an array of stuff
      - kevinslashslash 7y ago
        Not OP, but I believe he's talking about how the iPhone's large notch size is due to additional hardware used by face id. Having that size notch on the left/right side wouldn't be much better than in the center. Personally, I'd rather use my fingerprint anyway.
        sgc 7y ago
        They have infrared and dot projector, otherwise every phone has mic, speaker, proximity sensor, etc. They chose to stuff everything in the notch, it wasn't necessary.
- amlankm 7y ago
  I am also agree with you.
jws 7y ago
Notch? What notch? I have an iPhone X and mine has ears which extend the display up into the top of the phone where the camera is placed to get my status bar out of the screen. Brilliant! I say.
- wingerlang 7y ago
  This is literally the way I feel about it as well. I’ve seen the ears as increased space rather than the notch cutting into the display.
  - tapland 7y ago
    This is a very weird way of viewing the issue. The space is physically there, but because the size of the phone is ok anyway experience-wise it seems to be an extra feature?
    - coldtea 7y ago
      >This is a very weird way of viewing the issue. It's very weird to call it an issue as well. I remember what kind of phones we had until 2007. I've used infuriating devices from Android vendors as well. The notch is not even a first world problem....
      - piyush_soni 7y ago
        Well, depends on how you define 'first world problems'. But again, you should look at other phones today, not the ones from 2007. I thank my god every day that some companies finally had the courage to do original/innovative work to get rid of that. Not all of them will be successful, but honestly, the notch is nothing more than a compromise, and an ugly one at that.
      - schuke 7y ago
        Yeah. Old Casio watches have screens with notches, punches, dual screens, screens in screens... you name it. They’re fine. They actually work well and don’t bother anyone.
LoSboccacc 7y ago
it's a funny chain of consequences. put a notch, now the bottom border is too thick, so you thin it up with a very expensive manufacturing process. if you had not a notch there, there would have not been a need to move away the chin to maintain visual symmetry. anyway even with most manufacturer producing notch design, I still find no benefit that entices me to move to a notch model for a feature that adds a total of 44 pixels rows at twice the selling cost to maintain visual border symmetry, but I understand there are people obsessed with aesthetics that are willing to part a sizeable amount of money for a symmetrical bezel. It appears I'm just not the target audience of apple anymore.
- simonh 7y ago
  A symmetric bezel is literally the only selling point iPhones have over phones half the price. Really.
  - LoSboccacc 7y ago
    yes? android can do: phone calls internet browsing apps heck, I can use firefox and ublock on android, so iphones look even worse feature wise from here. they look good and cost a lot and that's it. even the app quality argument holds little value today as there's not many app today that aren't just cross-compiled plus, a billion of little cuts, like not being able to download an mp3 and use it as alarm or ringtone, having to use safari for sites that use webgl, having skype etc to open link into safari forcing every time a copy paste etc etc. iphones aren't bad experience as long as you commit to every single defalut they pick for you. outside that, they're pretty and they're expensive. three years ago the tech gap in the hardware itself was enough to justify the price, with even high end androids having wholly inadequate performances, and I had iphones all the way up to the 5s, but that's irrelevant now, with even the midrange android beefy enough to go trough every application you can throw at them with ease.
    - Hendrikto 7y ago
      Next time, read the comment you reply to before starting into a rant. Both of you think Android > Apple.
tasssko 7y ago
I prefer the notch and no chin. These design decisions are difficult but ultimately the iPhone X was an impressive phone . The S10 is a nice phone too, to me both look good in the photo. Jony Ive has contributed great work to the design of mobile / personal computing products. Today I smile walking into a tech store and ooogling at the surface book, XPS and Lenovo. Peer pressure has improved the design across the board. I’m a 20+ year apple customer and recently my 2 year old mbp went in for some restoration work. First time i’ve had to use Applecare. For a company like Apple outsourcing design seems similar and counter intuitive however from an objective perspective I question design choices. My 2012 MBP has a tidier appearance to my 2017 MBP which requires many dongles and adapters. To me that is a bad design. So it might be that Jony is more responsible for design problems and this is it for Apple.
- notafrog 7y ago
  I see no "notch and no chin" device in that picture. If anything, S10's "chin" looks smaller than iPhone X's "no chin".
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by zild3d 7y ago

dpkonofa 7y ago

I don't know that I agree with that considering the S10+ has what amounts to a hole in the top right corner. The notch isn't great but I actually think I prefer seeing those 2 options side by side.

CydeWeys 7y ago
I prefer the hole, for two reasons: A lot less total space of the display is missing, and the part that is missing is one side rather than the middle, so you still have room for a mostly full width uninterrupted status bar.
- simonh 7y ago
  And if you have no interest in Face ID that's reasonable preference.
  - sgc 7y ago
    Are you saying face ID is so fragile moving the camera 1 inch or less than an inch to the right kills all functionality? You manage to line your phone up so precisely each time you use it?
    - 7Z7 7y ago
      But it isn't just a camera, its an array of stuff
    - kevinslashslash 7y ago
      Not OP, but I believe he's talking about how the iPhone's large notch size is due to additional hardware used by face id. Having that size notch on the left/right side wouldn't be much better than in the center. Personally, I'd rather use my fingerprint anyway.
      - sgc 7y ago
        They have infrared and dot projector, otherwise every phone has mic, speaker, proximity sensor, etc. They chose to stuff everything in the notch, it wasn't necessary.
amlankm 7y ago
I am also agree with you.

jws 7y ago

Notch? What notch? I have an iPhone X and mine has ears which extend the display up into the top of the phone where the camera is placed to get my status bar out of the screen. Brilliant! I say.

wingerlang 7y ago
This is literally the way I feel about it as well. I’ve seen the ears as increased space rather than the notch cutting into the display.
- tapland 7y ago
  This is a very weird way of viewing the issue. The space is physically there, but because the size of the phone is ok anyway experience-wise it seems to be an extra feature?
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >This is a very weird way of viewing the issue. It's very weird to call it an issue as well. I remember what kind of phones we had until 2007. I've used infuriating devices from Android vendors as well. The notch is not even a first world problem....
    - piyush_soni 7y ago
      Well, depends on how you define 'first world problems'. But again, you should look at other phones today, not the ones from 2007. I thank my god every day that some companies finally had the courage to do original/innovative work to get rid of that. Not all of them will be successful, but honestly, the notch is nothing more than a compromise, and an ugly one at that.
    - schuke 7y ago
      Yeah. Old Casio watches have screens with notches, punches, dual screens, screens in screens... you name it. They’re fine. They actually work well and don’t bother anyone.

LoSboccacc 7y ago

it's a funny chain of consequences. put a notch, now the bottom border is too thick, so you thin it up with a very expensive manufacturing process. if you had not a notch there, there would have not been a need to move away the chin to maintain visual symmetry. anyway even with most manufacturer producing notch design, I still find no benefit that entices me to move to a notch model for a feature that adds a total of 44 pixels rows at twice the selling cost to maintain visual border symmetry, but I understand there are people obsessed with aesthetics that are willing to part a sizeable amount of money for a symmetrical bezel. It appears I'm just not the target audience of apple anymore.

simonh 7y ago
A symmetric bezel is literally the only selling point iPhones have over phones half the price. Really.
- LoSboccacc 7y ago
  yes? android can do: phone calls internet browsing apps heck, I can use firefox and ublock on android, so iphones look even worse feature wise from here. they look good and cost a lot and that's it. even the app quality argument holds little value today as there's not many app today that aren't just cross-compiled plus, a billion of little cuts, like not being able to download an mp3 and use it as alarm or ringtone, having to use safari for sites that use webgl, having skype etc to open link into safari forcing every time a copy paste etc etc. iphones aren't bad experience as long as you commit to every single defalut they pick for you. outside that, they're pretty and they're expensive. three years ago the tech gap in the hardware itself was enough to justify the price, with even high end androids having wholly inadequate performances, and I had iphones all the way up to the 5s, but that's irrelevant now, with even the midrange android beefy enough to go trough every application you can throw at them with ease.
  - Hendrikto 7y ago
    Next time, read the comment you reply to before starting into a rant. Both of you think Android > Apple.

tasssko 7y ago

I prefer the notch and no chin. These design decisions are difficult but ultimately the iPhone X was an impressive phone . The S10 is a nice phone too, to me both look good in the photo. Jony Ive has contributed great work to the design of mobile / personal computing products. Today I smile walking into a tech store and ooogling at the surface book, XPS and Lenovo. Peer pressure has improved the design across the board. I’m a 20+ year apple customer and recently my 2 year old mbp went in for some restoration work. First time i’ve had to use Applecare. For a company like Apple outsourcing design seems similar and counter intuitive however from an objective perspective I question design choices. My 2012 MBP has a tidier appearance to my 2017 MBP which requires many dongles and adapters. To me that is a bad design. So it might be that Jony is more responsible for design problems and this is it for Apple.

notafrog 7y ago
I see no "notch and no chin" device in that picture. If anything, S10's "chin" looks smaller than iPhone X's "no chin".

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