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I haven’t forgiven this guy for the latest “thin at any cost” 4th gen MacBook Pro we’ve had since 2016. He ruined the best programer’s laptop on the market. Ma
by CountSessine 7y ago
I haven’t forgiven this guy for the latest “thin at any cost” 4th gen MacBook Pro we’ve had since 2016. He ruined the best programer’s laptop on the market.
Maybe with him and his ego gone, they can fix the next generation and salvage the product line.
- fc_barnes 7y agoThis exactly. I don't know if it's Ive or Cook, but I'm really wondering what I'm doing to do when my older Apple devices kick the bucket. Apple, if you're listening, bring back real keyboards and the headphone jack!
- artursapek 7y agoThinkpads are nice
- sneakernets 7y agoI just want a thick MacBook Pro again. To my brain, thin = flimsy and cheap. Give me something with some weight to it, and a keyboard that doesn't suck. Heck, just refresh the 2011 design with modern tech and I'll be happy. (And no more friggin' touchbar that messes up my Vim workflow. please!)
- omarchowdhury 7y agoGet a laptop protector. You'll get the weight and added protection.
- fumar 7y agoI travel frequently for work. I like having a pro machine that is light and thin. I am okay with compromises, but understand that the target audience feels differently. I believe my Macbook Pro goes more places than before due to the compactness. That includes using python, photo, design, and general office work.
- kingnothing 7y agoThat's why we were given the Air and 13" Pro.
- filoleg 7y ago>Air Weak specs and small screen. >13" pro Weaker specs and smaller screen than 15" Pro. I, for one, like my light and thin 15" Pro, though I understand not everyone will feel this way.
- amluto 7y agoDo you actually need the thin part or just the light part? I used to amuse people by demonstrating that my not-at-all-sexy ThinkPad weighed less than the original MacBook Air despite being a lot thicker and more powerful. The recent iPhones in particular bother me. What’s the point of being mostly thin if the camera lens sticks out and snags on things?
- reimertz 7y agoI had to block my Credit Card after it snagged on the lense and I dropped it without me noticing.
- fumar 7y agoYes, I find the thinner the device the easier it is to pack. I should say overall volume. If I can travel for 1-2 days with a simple backpack, that is best case scenario. I keep trying to go 100% iPad Pro but its not quite there yet. I have taken plenty of day trips with just my macbook pro, no case or sleeve.
- andybak 7y agoI've got a thin and light Mac that still has the ports.
- seanmcdirmid 7y agoA thin laptop is much easier to lug around, it has changed my wardrobe from a huge backpack to increasingly compact folios.
- UIZealot 7y agoI haven’t forgiven him for iOS 7. I absolutely love the classic iOS look and hate the bland, confusing, flat look.
- mkr-hn 7y agoMaybe it's my lack of exposure to older iOS devices, but I haven't had any problems with it since getting my first iPhone last year.
- sprafa 7y agoThey’ve done enormous changes since 7 to improve it. 7 was absurd - buttons looked like simple text everywhere. I always had to toggle on a function where buttons became underlined so I could use the thing. There was huge criticism even in knowledgeable design circles (see Nielsen Norman who do usability studies) that it was really really objectively worst because it was so confusing. It’s a lot better now.
- UIZealot 7y agoIt's slightly better now in terms of usability. Aesthetically it’s as big of a disaster as when it first came out. There’s only so much polishing they could do to a turd.
- redisman 7y agoCan you find a screenshot? When I just search iOS 7 in image search it looks 99% like iOS 12 to me. iOS 6 on the other hand with its drop shadows and reflections has aged super badly.
- r00fus 7y agoThe "feel" of iOS7 was horrible. It was also buggy in many design ways.
- ulfw 7y agoThey’re still just text. Open Apple Mail and have a look.
- philjohn 7y agoI keep seeing this, and I've got one and disagree. I quite like the new keyboard feel, I can type damned fast on it. The touchbar implementation in IntelliJ is nice, touch ID is great to login, I travel quite a bit so having something powerful but super light is a huge boon. It's probably not for everyone, but it felt like an upgrade over the 2015 model I was using before ... and sure, they jumped the gun on USB-C but I've since upgraded to a monitor that has a USB-C input and that's just a single cable to both charge the device and to output video ... which is damn near magic.
- CountSessine 7y agoYMMV I guess, but I work as a programmer at a company where all the programmers carry these around and spend their whole days in emacs or tmux+vim. There are about a hundred of us in our local office. I haven’t found anyone who doesn’t hate this thing, and it all comes down to that stupid butterfly keyboard. We’re a company of super-efficient touch typists, and the 2015 MacBook pros with their scissor switches are coveted and traded.
- jeremyjh 7y agoDo you really have a lot of programmers typing on a laptop keyboard for much of the day? That would seem really strange to me. No laptop keyboard is good compared to a good mechanical, or really any external keyboard. I have one of these pros and I type on it a fair bit because I commute on the bus and I agree its not the best...but at the office I have proper equipment for doing programming work.
- CountSessine 7y agoYes! I'm typing on my 2015 MBP right now! It's not as good as a blue-switch or Alps mechanical keyboard, but it's pretty damn good! Just looking around though, I can see that the majority of external-keyboard users here in the office are using 2016-and-later 4th gen MBPs. The keyboard is just bad enough to mandate rather than encourage external keyboard use.
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- munificent 7y agoI agree, but he also brought us the 2016 MBP which is possibly the best programmer's laptop ever made.
- CountSessine 7y agoThe 2016 4th generation MacBook Pro with its execrable butterfly keyboard is what I’m talking about. Thinness for thinness-sake - forget about typing efficiency, typing correctness, or repetitive stress injuries. Damnable thinness at any cost.
- wlesieutre 7y agoI think that was a joke about the differing opinions on the 2016 MPB. It’s either the best or the worst programmer’s laptop depending on who you ask and how much they like deep key travel.
- UIZealot 7y agoYou mean the 2015 MBP? That's widely regarded as the last good MBP.
- munificent 7y agoI'm thinking the third-generation MBP. The last one before the TouchBar. But, honestly, I loved every generation of Appl laptops except for the most recent.
- the_arun 7y agoThin laptops are so cool from design standpoint. Though I wish they still kept all the necessary ports to support ecosystem outside Apple. Coming to Ive - I appreciated him for the cool Unibody design of MBPs. They beat all other competition - just by looks & sturdiness.
- preommr 7y ago> He ruined the best programer’s laptop on the market. Do people really think the macbook as a device is great for programming? Maybe it's just personal preference but I've always hated the keyboard (spacing was bad and lots of more less mainstream keys that are important in programming like the function keys were really small) and how annoyingly large the mouse pad is.
- jki275 7y agoThe trackpad is perfect. It's the best feature of the macbook pro, and it's why they don't have or need a touch screen. It works perfectly. If they'd just pair it with a real keyboard...
- jimmaswell 7y agoWhy was it a better laptop for programmers than any other high-end laptop with a different OS?