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"a man illegally used a dashcam, he was fined 300 euros. It was a camera recording the use of a car from the driver's point of view, which is illegal." Insane.
by donretag 7y ago
"a man illegally used a dashcam, he was fined 300 euros. It was a camera recording the use of a car from the driver's point of view, which is illegal."
Insane.
- hvhsb 7y agoWhat's insane, the fact that you can't just go around recording people and cars?
- tempestn 7y agoOn public streets, yeah, that's kind of insane. It's pretty common for people to have a dashcam running with a buffer so if you're involved in a not at fault accident or someone vandalizes your car, or such things, you have documentation.
- hvhsb 7y agoOf course, that's why it says "illegally". Those dashcams can be installed legally, and this guy's wasn't legally installed.
- tooop 7y agoWhere is info on how to install it legally and why this stupid ban on dashcams when GDPR actually allows it (it made dashcam usage easier in my home country as now you don't have to register as data processor because dashcams fall under surveillance). I feel that this is a bad thing - you have a regulation that covers all EU but some countries have their specific laws overriding it and banning things that are allowed under GDPR.
- izacus 7y agoSome societies think that tracking people on public spaces isn't acceptable either. I don't know why it would be insane - if anything, losing all privacy because you stepped out of the house is the insane thing.
- tooop 7y agoInsane would be the fact that i cannot use pictures/video taken in a public setting for my personal use. Publicising these pictures/videos are another thing and that is covered by GDPR.
- malka 7y agoIf it's a model with a buffer, it's allowed. What is not allowed is to have lying around hours of footages with licences plates, etc. on it.
- droithomme 7y agoYes, that's what's insane.
- donatj 7y agoIn public? Something your brain already does?
- mtw 7y agoActually he was lucky. Austrian law says the fine should be €10,000. It is not legal to own or to use a dashcam in Austria, like in a few other European countries
- oh_sigh 7y agoNot true. You can have a dash cam, but it has to be the kind that continuously overwrites its own data and only records when it detects an accident. You can also record based on your intent - if your intent is to, say, capture a scenic drive ,then you can do that. If your intent is to just capture the license plates of 1000s of other cars that pass you, you can't do that. These laws were changed in ~2018 in Austria.
- bosie 7y agoHow can a dashcam possibly detect an accident? Wouldn't that basically start recording after the fact and hence be mostly worthless?
- detaro 7y agoNo, they are allowed to have a buffer of last X minutes.
- oh_sigh 7y agoAccelerometers. How it works is there is something like a 5 minute, constantly overwriting video file. Once the accelerometers detects an abrupt deceleration, it determines an accident occurred and marks the previous 5 minute segment of video as read-only.
- romwell 7y agoThe dashcam will record into a, say, 5-minute buffer until the accelerometer registers a high value, at which point it starts writing into a new file (so the buffer becomes a permanent record of the 5 minutes prior to the incident). That's one way to implement it, one can come up with many others.
- droithomme 7y agoThe same link mentions issuing a GDPR reprimand against a person for using a security camera inside their own home.
- inetknght 7y agoThe one I saw said that the CCTV system in the home was also set up to record other peoples' properties too.
- henrikschroder 7y agoIt's not the GDPR that made this illegal. It was most probably illegal before the GDPR, and it was probably enforced by the same agency that now enforces GDPR. The GDPR is an umbrella that covers all the new things it introduced, but also a lot of old things the various national data privacy agencies covered.
- detaro 7y agoWhere does it say that? The linked article says "recordings of their house", which very well could e.g. be a camera on the outside, capturing surrounding public space. (also probably existing law, not GDPR specifically: video surveillance has been fairly strictly regulated for a while)
- M2Ys4U 7y agoRecording in one's own home is exempted under the GDPR[0]. I suspect something broader was involved here. [0] Article 2(2): "This Regulation does not apply to the processing of personal data [...] by a natural person in the course of a purely personal or household activity"
- PeterisP 7y agoA prime example where GDPR would apply to a security camera in your own house would be if that camera was used to record renters (including short term rentals e.g. AirBnB) without their knowledge. For example, I recall reading about cases of renters finding out that the landlord has installed hidden cameras in the bedrooms and showers.
- blub 7y agoSome countries are sane enough to enshrine privacy in public spaces into law, because of the potential for abuse. This is slowly but surely being eroded also in Germany. Multiple cities are trialling full video surveillance to stop the terrorists. e.g: Some USA towns have near 100% video surveillance through the Amazon doorbell cameras (Ring) of the town's inhabitants. Some content is publicly available, cops can also request it. Then Amazon is posting captured video as Facebook advertisements to identify suspected thieves. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pajm5z/amazon-home-surveillance-company-ring-law-enforcement-advertisements https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/pajm5z/amazon-home-survei...