5 ms·
I envy those who are able to bring themselves to escape from this hell world.
by qwsxyh 7y ago
I envy those who are able to bring themselves to escape from this hell world.
- Toine 7y agoIt’s only the beginning.
- qwsxyh 7y agoYes; better to get out now.
- saagarjha 7y agoIf you’re thinking of suicide, please seek help.
- qwsxyh 7y agoWhy?
- saagarjha 7y agoSo you don’t kill yourself over what looks to be an overly skewed perspective of the world? There might be bad things going on, but that doesn’t mean everything is horrible or unfixable.
- qwsxyh 7y agoWhy would it be a bad thing to kill myself?
- saagarjha 7y agoBecause you’re betting your life on something which may or may not occur. Why take the risk that you’re wrong? Why not try instead to see if you can help fix the problems you’re seeing, or getting help to do so?
- qwsxyh 7y agoI don't really care about living, so I don't care about fixing the problems.
- charliesharding 7y agoBecause it does irreparable damage to your family and friends
- qwsxyh 7y agoLiving does irrepairable damage to me.
- onemoresoop 7y agoOne day you may find something that is worth living for and you'll leave the darkness behind. After that day when looking at your current thinking process, it will not make much sense. Of course when your mind is cloudy no outside words or solutions register, they seem like empty words. They will only make sense once you're past that point. That's why is good to have hope.
- hestipod 7y agoI am not the person you replied to but I want to ask you when this happens? I am 45...have been dealing with this for 15 years in a bad way on top of a miserable childhood. I had some good years in my 20s when I was able to make my own path but that was derailed by the negligence of others and after that it has been downhill. Since then all the "help" you speak of has ever done is make it worse and push me down further. All they have is weak science and pills that often make things worse. They also never address the root causes and are mostly just expensive, egotistical, bandaid dispensers at best. It's irrelevant now anyway as I have no insurance and cannot afford the "privilege" of American healthcare. I have lost everything and nearly everyone. Only three people in all that time have ever TRULY helped. One of them died this Winter. One of them is a member of this forum who had no obligation but has tried to anyway. The other is the only old friend I have left who stood by me as all the systems and family who one would think should be there, who had the aforementioned obligation, turned their back. So tell me when? And what then as I have nothing...no foundation...no security...more needs. So when does it "get better"? And don't say "well if you don't wait and see then you will miss the chance to find out" because why does that matter? Do YOU think suffering a lifetime is worth it for a moment or two toward the end of things being better when you die anyway? How much do people have to suffer before they are allowed to say "enough"?
- charliesharding 7y agoYes, living does irreparable damage to everyone. The best you can hope for is to not put your family and friends through the unnecessary hell of coping with your death, dwelling on what they could have done/didn't do to prevent it. You can come back from how you feel now - that's the nature of being alive
- qwsxyh 7y agoI'll make sure to put it in my note that there's nothing they couldve done to change it.
- deleted 7y ago[deleted]
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y agoHaving been in the position of wanting, in a very real and immediate sense, to end my life, and having sought help for it, let me relate my experience a little: You get what you pay for. Yeah, all this "seek help" stuff is actually kinda just marketing. No one really wants to help you, at least not enough to commit serious effort to do it. This is the unfortunate reality. However, I obviously did not end up killing myself either. For me, escaping the crushing hopelessness involved a deep examination of why I felt the way I did, which ultimately resulted in two significant realizations: 1) The universe is under no obligation to make sense to me, and 2) most of my criteria for judging myself came from people trying to sell me something. These seem obvious on the face of it, but knowing and understanding, it turns out, are different things. I'm not going to suggest that what helped me will help you, because I remember hearing all sorts of bullshit advice from others when I was in your position and it only made it worse. I'm not even going to suggest that life is worth living, because that's very subjective, or that there's hope for you, because all situations have their own nuances that I would be exceedingly arrogant to assume I could understand. So what am I trying to say? I don't know, man. I guess that despite your pleas for help being met with this low-effort "help" from the great internet wanking session known as Hacker News, and how that must make you feel right now, there are sometimes ways out, if you can manage to find them.
- Toine 7y agoAn opinion I understand and respect, but that I don’t share. Anyone with sufficient education can be absolutely terrified of the soul-crushing future we need to deal with, but what makes life enjoyable is overcoming any challenge put in our way.
- qwsxyh 7y agoI consider the majority of challenges we face today unsolvable.
- Toine 7y agoAgreed. I guess I’m just too crazy to want to see how it all collapses.
- saagarjha 7y agoWhat challenges do you see, and why do you think that they are unsolvable?
- qwsxyh 7y agoClimate change and capitalism.
- okaram 7y agoClimate change is probably inevitable, but we humans will adapt to it; we will solve the problems that come from it; I actually see a high chance we will get basically unlimited free energy from renewables before we destroy the world. Capitalism will get changed/fixed. At a local level, move to a sane country ;) At a global one, first realize we are much much much better globally than at any other time in history; we will keep improving. Even in the USA, we're arguably better overall that at any other time in history; yes, Trump is a step back, but it's just so we can get impulse
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 7y ago
- ThatsOK 7y agoThey are dedicated and spend monthes/years not only perfecting the method (most serious candidates always mpick smthe sale one) but talking about themselves about these problems: - how can I minimize at most the damage done to my close ones? Yes suicide is a transfer of pain, but only a partial transfer. Full transfer would make life unlivable - what do I do if I'm saved and everyone knows? - Is there a hell waiting for suicidal persons? Is reincarnation real, and if so will this hellish life begin again? - What's the best way to minimize the persons discovering your body?
- ThatsOK 7y agoEdit: They are dedicated and spend monthes/years not only perfecting the method (most serious candidates always pick the same one) but talking about themselves about these problems: - how can I minimize at most the damage done to my close ones? Yes suicide is a transfer of pain, but only a partial transfer. Full transfer would make their life unlivable - what do I do if I'm saved and everyone knows? - - Is there a hell waiting for suicidal persons? Is reincarnation real, and if so will this hellish life begin again? - What's the best way to minimize the trauma inflicted to the persons discovering your body?
- yters 7y agoOne thing to consider is that life circumstances that make us stressed and feel suicidal are transitory, but suicide is permanent. I felt pretty bad when younger, but I am fine now. It would have sucked if I'd killed myself back then.
- hestipod 7y ago>One thing to consider is that life circumstances that make us stressed and feel suicidal are transitory, but suicide is permanent Mine haven't been transitory. If anything they get worse. Sure it's sensible for a kid to see if they can get out into life and improve their circumstances, or someone in some acute situation like losing a loved one etc to navigate the situation, but the "it gets better" and "permanent solution to a temporary problem" tropes are fallacies beyond a select few groups.
- yters 7y agoWell, one counter point is the religious one. If one holds onto hope until the natural end of life, then they are guaranteed a great final situation in heaven that will never get worse. Conversely, despair and suicide are often considered the sure way to enter hell. In this hypothetical scenario, the tropes of "it gets better" and "permanent solution to a temporary problem" are literally true, regardless of how difficult a person's life is.
- hestipod 7y agoI didn't downvote you and don't like how that tool is used as a "disagree" button. However, you are describing the well known "Pascal's Wager" and it doesn't do it for me. IF, and I don't think it likely, there is a god who would punish someone for not being able to endure suffering, and who has created a place like "hell" then we are all screwed anyway because that's a horrible and cruel thing for anyone to do, let alone a creator. It all sounds like a very human construct to me anyway since so many humans do love inflicting punishment to feel some sense of control and justice.
- 7y ago
- hestipod 7y agoI am sorry you are suffering like this. I get it. It upsets me to see your words downvoted/greyed out. That's a big part of the problem in that people attack things that they don't want to hear or that make them afraid...rather than having empathy. I don't understand at all the kind of person who would signal "WRONG" with a button press to someone suffering like that. Either leave it be or show compassion.
- imtringued 7y agoIf you want to die, just wait until you're old enough. Most suicide methods are too unreliable and if you fail, you might not attempt suicide a second time. You don't want to take that risk. My method will work even if your life has improved and you no longer feel suicidal.