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> they're helping to lay the ground work for safer roads by forcing the industry to integrate more and more automated safety systems. They focus more on driver

> they're helping to lay the ground work for safer roads by forcing the industry to integrate more and more automated safety systems. They focus more on driver-aid systems that encourage not paying attention. Their automated safety systems aren't anything special compared to what most manufactures offer.

agitator 7y ago
I disagree. Which other vehicles on the road actively steer your vehicle away from an imminent collision when it's safe to do so? Tesla's blind spot monitoring doesn't just detect what's in your blind spot, like other vehicles, it also detects whether a vehicle is slowing down or accelerating into the "blind spot" adjacent to your vehicle. Their autopilot or automated emergency braking doesn't just brake when a vehicle in front of your slams on it's brakes, it slows down when someone in front of that vehicle hit the brakes. There's a lot of intelligent engineering there, and a lot of improvements that are pushing the industry to be safer and more responsible. There's a lot of negative press out there, but much of it is not based on fair statistics.
- cjcenizal 7y ago
  My Model 3 did exactly that this morning. I was in the act of changing lanes, expecting the car behind me in the target lane to either maintain speed or slow to avoid hitting me. Instead it sped up, my car alerted me, and as I glanced in the side view to see the car approaching, the steering wheel gently tugged me (us??) back into our lane, avoiding collision. I’ve never felt so grateful to an object before.
  - antmanler 7y ago
    Similar situation happened to me few days ago, my Model3 brake for myself to avoid a collision
  - astazangasta 7y ago
    Whereas, i presume, in your previous non-Tesla cars you were regularly getting into pileups?
    - Dylan16807 7y ago
      How reductive. Let's try looking at it as getting closer to accidents before managing to fix the issue. So now with this system, one-in-a-million odds of that type of accident might become one-in-ten-million odds.
      - astazangasta 7y ago
        My point, ill-made, is this is anecdotal data and therefore useless in evaluating anything.
        cjcenizal 7y ago
        To be better understood, you could try directly stating your point instead of making a snarky remark that requires interpretation. :) as far as anecdotes, that’s all I have to offer on this topic. Feel free to ignore them if they don’t help you in evaluating something.
- FireBeyond 7y ago
  Uhh, my Audi did exactly that. Blind spot monitoring was adaptive to the speed differential. My current car uses brake light detection to assist with braking. These are not features unique to Tesla.
  - ricardobeat 7y ago
    A Tesla has a radar with 160m range, plus an entire camera vision system with something like 70TFLOPs of computing power. Comparing that to simple brake light detection is disingenuous. Did you car also autonomously steer away from the incoming vehicle?
thaumaturgy 7y ago
> Their automated safety systems aren't anything special compared to what most manufactures offer. When I'm trying to figure out which of two really vocal, opposed camps might be more right on some issue, I look for the really hyperbolic statements that are easily refuted but still repeated. 2016: A Tesla's Forward Collision Warning System warns the driver about an impending collision he can't even see yet and starts applying the brakes. https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/28/watch-teslas-autopilot-system-help-avoid-a-crash-with-superhuman-sight/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/28/watch-teslas-autopilot-sys... 2016: A Tesla automatically alerts the driver and swerves to the right to avoid a collision. https://www.inverse.com/article/14393-tesla-autopilot-avoiding-highway-collision-video https://www.inverse.com/article/14393-tesla-autopilot-avoidi... 2018: A Tesla's automatic emergency braking system makes it the only car in an intersection that isn't hit by a someone running a red light. https://insideevs.com/news/342781/watch-this-tesla-model-3-stop-itself-to-avoid-horrific-crash-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/342781/watch-this-tesla-model-3-s... 2019: A Tesla gets rear-ended and then swerves around the vehicle in front of it and pulls safely off to the right. https://electrek.co/2019/05/06/tesla-autopilot-maneuver-avoid-crash-video/ https://electrek.co/2019/05/06/tesla-autopilot-maneuver-avoi... 2019: A Tesla avoids a stopped vehicle on a busy road in icy conditions with extremely poor visibility. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-automatic-emergency-braking-avoids-icy-collision-video/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-automatic-emergency-... There are so many different reports like this that searching for them is boring. So which manufacturers do you have in mind when you say that "most" of them are offering comparable safety systems?
- llukas 7y ago
  Individual reports are not data. https://www.iihs.org/topics/advanced-driver-assistance https://www.iihs.org/topics/advanced-driver-assistance "study found that systems with forward collision warning and automatic braking cut rear-end crashes in half, while forward collision warning alone reduces them by 27 percent. The autobrake systems also greatly reduce rear-end crashes involving injury."
- FireBeyond 7y ago
  You'll find that indeed most manufacturers offer AEB, forward and rear collision avoidance, many of them offering side collision detection. Subaru, Volvo, Toyota, Audi, Mercedes, for ones I know for a fact. I'm more unsure as to why you think other manufacturers don't do these things.

agitator 7y ago

I disagree. Which other vehicles on the road actively steer your vehicle away from an imminent collision when it's safe to do so? Tesla's blind spot monitoring doesn't just detect what's in your blind spot, like other vehicles, it also detects whether a vehicle is slowing down or accelerating into the "blind spot" adjacent to your vehicle. Their autopilot or automated emergency braking doesn't just brake when a vehicle in front of your slams on it's brakes, it slows down when someone in front of that vehicle hit the brakes. There's a lot of intelligent engineering there, and a lot of improvements that are pushing the industry to be safer and more responsible. There's a lot of negative press out there, but much of it is not based on fair statistics.

cjcenizal 7y ago
My Model 3 did exactly that this morning. I was in the act of changing lanes, expecting the car behind me in the target lane to either maintain speed or slow to avoid hitting me. Instead it sped up, my car alerted me, and as I glanced in the side view to see the car approaching, the steering wheel gently tugged me (us??) back into our lane, avoiding collision. I’ve never felt so grateful to an object before.
- antmanler 7y ago
  Similar situation happened to me few days ago, my Model3 brake for myself to avoid a collision
- astazangasta 7y ago
  Whereas, i presume, in your previous non-Tesla cars you were regularly getting into pileups?
  - Dylan16807 7y ago
    How reductive. Let's try looking at it as getting closer to accidents before managing to fix the issue. So now with this system, one-in-a-million odds of that type of accident might become one-in-ten-million odds.
    - astazangasta 7y ago
      My point, ill-made, is this is anecdotal data and therefore useless in evaluating anything.
      - cjcenizal 7y ago
        To be better understood, you could try directly stating your point instead of making a snarky remark that requires interpretation. :) as far as anecdotes, that’s all I have to offer on this topic. Feel free to ignore them if they don’t help you in evaluating something.
FireBeyond 7y ago
Uhh, my Audi did exactly that. Blind spot monitoring was adaptive to the speed differential. My current car uses brake light detection to assist with braking. These are not features unique to Tesla.
- ricardobeat 7y ago
  A Tesla has a radar with 160m range, plus an entire camera vision system with something like 70TFLOPs of computing power. Comparing that to simple brake light detection is disingenuous. Did you car also autonomously steer away from the incoming vehicle?

thaumaturgy 7y ago

> Their automated safety systems aren't anything special compared to what most manufactures offer. When I'm trying to figure out which of two really vocal, opposed camps might be more right on some issue, I look for the really hyperbolic statements that are easily refuted but still repeated. 2016: A Tesla's Forward Collision Warning System warns the driver about an impending collision he can't even see yet and starts applying the brakes. https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/28/watch-teslas-autopilot-system-help-avoid-a-crash-with-superhuman-sight/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/12/28/watch-teslas-autopilot-sys... 2016: A Tesla automatically alerts the driver and swerves to the right to avoid a collision. https://www.inverse.com/article/14393-tesla-autopilot-avoiding-highway-collision-video https://www.inverse.com/article/14393-tesla-autopilot-avoidi... 2018: A Tesla's automatic emergency braking system makes it the only car in an intersection that isn't hit by a someone running a red light. https://insideevs.com/news/342781/watch-this-tesla-model-3-stop-itself-to-avoid-horrific-crash-video/ https://insideevs.com/news/342781/watch-this-tesla-model-3-s... 2019: A Tesla gets rear-ended and then swerves around the vehicle in front of it and pulls safely off to the right. https://electrek.co/2019/05/06/tesla-autopilot-maneuver-avoid-crash-video/ https://electrek.co/2019/05/06/tesla-autopilot-maneuver-avoi... 2019: A Tesla avoids a stopped vehicle on a busy road in icy conditions with extremely poor visibility. https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-automatic-emergency-braking-avoids-icy-collision-video/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-3-automatic-emergency-... There are so many different reports like this that searching for them is boring. So which manufacturers do you have in mind when you say that "most" of them are offering comparable safety systems?

llukas 7y ago
Individual reports are not data. https://www.iihs.org/topics/advanced-driver-assistance https://www.iihs.org/topics/advanced-driver-assistance "study found that systems with forward collision warning and automatic braking cut rear-end crashes in half, while forward collision warning alone reduces them by 27 percent. The autobrake systems also greatly reduce rear-end crashes involving injury."
FireBeyond 7y ago
You'll find that indeed most manufacturers offer AEB, forward and rear collision avoidance, many of them offering side collision detection. Subaru, Volvo, Toyota, Audi, Mercedes, for ones I know for a fact. I'm more unsure as to why you think other manufacturers don't do these things.