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Imagine being the child born on the ship on a crash course to this new planet.

by tictoc 7y ago

onemoresoop 7y ago
And imagine you're the first ship to arrive only to find out a) that the planet is not habitable and there were some wrong assumptions about it b) that the planet is already occupied by a different form of life and there's no warm welcome to us
- krisrm 7y ago
  Sounds like the premise of Aurora! Which definitely turned me off the idea of multi generational starship travel. It's not ethical.
- deleted 7y ago
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- corodra 7y ago
  This is also assuming A) Human engineering can create something that can last 200+ years of space travel. We don't even build houses anymore that can feasibly last 100 years. 2) People don't go mad and kill each other or do a mutiny III) Any number of stray objects from asteroids to rogue planets that just slams into the ship and causes major malfunctions d) Food and life support sustainability I mean... there are SOOOOOOOO many more problems than actual politics. This is where, and it hurts me to say this, the politicians are right to say "are you insane?".
  - onemoresoop 7y ago
    Of course we’re far from it, if ever possible. I was just being playful on the whole premise of “colonizing” another earthlike planet
    - corodra 7y ago
      Oh, I'm not bashing you at all. You're absolutely correct. You bring up extremely important things to realize when discussing space travel. Especially long term missions. Political will being the reason why these missions haven't happened, as someone else mentioned, is total crap. It's just an easy excuse to not think of ACTUAL consequences and live in a scifi fantasy.
      - onemoresoop 7y ago
        Yes I agree, we seem to be working on the wrong problems or get the priorities wrong. We keep on inventing newer technologies which come with newer problems while the ship is slowly but surely sinking. Sometimes I wonder what would it take for all of us to join a concerted effort to concentrate on the real problems we have. Technologies seem to veer into an escapist route, some way for us to run away from the problems we do have: virtual reality, leisure space travel, AGI, synthetic life, immortality.. I hope we'll eventually wake up in the last hour, at least to acknowledge where we've gone wrong.
        corodra 7y ago
        I think this is exactly why there's an apocalypse fantasy/fetish. It's in our psyche that we're all focused on... well... dumb shit. A post-apocalypse lifestyle makes you focus on what I think we can all truly appreciate as important. There's a lot of interesting studies done on localized disasters where the idea of community actually erupts out of it. People working together and sharing, regardless of their "social status". It's all short lived until the outside world aid arrives and you still get a few bad actors in the mix (though it seems statistically, no where near as many as we think). Generally though, it takes hell on Earth for us to regain our "humanity". Not trying to be edgy, but I think a lot of society problems stem from more and more globalization. When you're less than a drop in a gigantic pool of people, it's hard to feel like anything matters. Not saying the closed off, nationalism system is any better in the long term. It's just hard to determine a balance to the system. And with that lack of balance, we run away into the escapes you mentioned. Sigh... well, I just ruined my day thinking about this crap again.
  - dheera 7y ago
    Meh. 200 years aro they would have called you insane for wanting to fly between continents, let alone to the moon.
    - neaden 7y ago
      They also would have called you crazy for saying you wanted to turn lead into gold with alchemy. Fact is, most of the time the people who say something can't be done are right.
      - dheera 7y ago
        Yeah but they don't matter. All the trying was worth it, because I can fly halfway around the Earth for a few hundred bucks now. If in a different world I got gold out of lead but no airplanes, it would be fun too, but in a different way. If the no-sayers really won and nobody tried, we would have neither.
      - Dylan16807 7y ago
        > They also would have called you crazy for saying you wanted to turn lead into gold with alchemy. Which is doable but exceptionally expensive. Not a strong argument against the ship unless you're calling it a waste of money.
      - ArnoVW 7y ago
        Nitpick: we can actually transmute, either by fusion or fission. Sure it's not economically effective, but then neither was Apollo.
  - r00fus 7y ago
    The crazy ones are the ones that change the world/universe. For the right price, it would make sense to invest in such a venture.
  - svd4anything 7y ago
    > d) Food and life support sustainability Could we just send frozen embryos of humans and then have the ship auto thaw and gestate them 16 years to arrival? With another 2-300 years of technological progress this doesn’t seem outlandish mission at all.
    - 8note 7y ago
      that sounds highly unethical. none of those people agreed to go on the trip
      - svd4anything 7y ago
        did any of us agree to go on our current trip? I do see your point but I think eventually humans might do it.
- papito 7y ago
  Man, B is a good problem to have.
lmm 7y ago
Imagine being the child born on a small island, or in a country to which few other countries are willing to grant visas, or simply to parents who don't have much money.
petercooper 7y ago
Imagine being the child born on the ship on a crash course to this new planet. Here's one for you. What if WE are the children currently on a 'ship' (Earth) being sent somewhere..? ;-)

Imagine being the child born on the ship on a crash course to this new planet.

by tictoc 7y ago

Imagine being the child born on the ship on a crash course to this new planet.

And imagine you're the first ship to arrive only to find out a) that the planet is not habitable and there were some wrong assumptions about it b) that the planet is already occupied by a different form of life and there's no warm welcome to us

krisrm 7y ago
Sounds like the premise of Aurora! Which definitely turned me off the idea of multi generational starship travel. It's not ethical.
deleted 7y ago
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corodra 7y ago
This is also assuming A) Human engineering can create something that can last 200+ years of space travel. We don't even build houses anymore that can feasibly last 100 years. 2) People don't go mad and kill each other or do a mutiny III) Any number of stray objects from asteroids to rogue planets that just slams into the ship and causes major malfunctions d) Food and life support sustainability I mean... there are SOOOOOOOO many more problems than actual politics. This is where, and it hurts me to say this, the politicians are right to say "are you insane?".
- onemoresoop 7y ago
  Of course we’re far from it, if ever possible. I was just being playful on the whole premise of “colonizing” another earthlike planet
  - corodra 7y ago
    Oh, I'm not bashing you at all. You're absolutely correct. You bring up extremely important things to realize when discussing space travel. Especially long term missions. Political will being the reason why these missions haven't happened, as someone else mentioned, is total crap. It's just an easy excuse to not think of ACTUAL consequences and live in a scifi fantasy.
    - onemoresoop 7y ago
      Yes I agree, we seem to be working on the wrong problems or get the priorities wrong. We keep on inventing newer technologies which come with newer problems while the ship is slowly but surely sinking. Sometimes I wonder what would it take for all of us to join a concerted effort to concentrate on the real problems we have. Technologies seem to veer into an escapist route, some way for us to run away from the problems we do have: virtual reality, leisure space travel, AGI, synthetic life, immortality.. I hope we'll eventually wake up in the last hour, at least to acknowledge where we've gone wrong.
      - corodra 7y ago
        I think this is exactly why there's an apocalypse fantasy/fetish. It's in our psyche that we're all focused on... well... dumb shit. A post-apocalypse lifestyle makes you focus on what I think we can all truly appreciate as important. There's a lot of interesting studies done on localized disasters where the idea of community actually erupts out of it. People working together and sharing, regardless of their "social status". It's all short lived until the outside world aid arrives and you still get a few bad actors in the mix (though it seems statistically, no where near as many as we think). Generally though, it takes hell on Earth for us to regain our "humanity". Not trying to be edgy, but I think a lot of society problems stem from more and more globalization. When you're less than a drop in a gigantic pool of people, it's hard to feel like anything matters. Not saying the closed off, nationalism system is any better in the long term. It's just hard to determine a balance to the system. And with that lack of balance, we run away into the escapes you mentioned. Sigh... well, I just ruined my day thinking about this crap again.
- dheera 7y ago
  Meh. 200 years aro they would have called you insane for wanting to fly between continents, let alone to the moon.
  - neaden 7y ago
    They also would have called you crazy for saying you wanted to turn lead into gold with alchemy. Fact is, most of the time the people who say something can't be done are right.
    - dheera 7y ago
      Yeah but they don't matter. All the trying was worth it, because I can fly halfway around the Earth for a few hundred bucks now. If in a different world I got gold out of lead but no airplanes, it would be fun too, but in a different way. If the no-sayers really won and nobody tried, we would have neither.
    - Dylan16807 7y ago
      > They also would have called you crazy for saying you wanted to turn lead into gold with alchemy. Which is doable but exceptionally expensive. Not a strong argument against the ship unless you're calling it a waste of money.
    - ArnoVW 7y ago
      Nitpick: we can actually transmute, either by fusion or fission. Sure it's not economically effective, but then neither was Apollo.
- r00fus 7y ago
  The crazy ones are the ones that change the world/universe. For the right price, it would make sense to invest in such a venture.
- svd4anything 7y ago
  > d) Food and life support sustainability Could we just send frozen embryos of humans and then have the ship auto thaw and gestate them 16 years to arrival? With another 2-300 years of technological progress this doesn’t seem outlandish mission at all.
  - 8note 7y ago
    that sounds highly unethical. none of those people agreed to go on the trip
    - svd4anything 7y ago
      did any of us agree to go on our current trip? I do see your point but I think eventually humans might do it.
papito 7y ago
Man, B is a good problem to have.

lmm 7y ago

Imagine being the child born on a small island, or in a country to which few other countries are willing to grant visas, or simply to parents who don't have much money.

petercooper 7y ago

Imagine being the child born on the ship on a crash course to this new planet. Here's one for you. What if WE are the children currently on a 'ship' (Earth) being sent somewhere..? ;-)