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Why would we want to move from SMS to a situation where Facebook ALSO has a copy of every message we send? Not an improvement.
by Vrondi 7y ago
Why would we want to move from SMS to a situation where Facebook ALSO has a copy of every message we send? Not an improvement.
- handzbagz1 7y agoBut Facebook doesn't have a copy of any message you send.
- MBCook 7y agoUh huh. If they didn’t keep having to ‘correct’ their ‘mistatements’ about how many people were effected by their privacy screwups I might actually trust them on that.
- akvadrako 7y agoThey do, it's just encrypted. But they still know when you sent it, to whom, how large it was, and the cadence of typing notifications, among other things.
- Barrin92 7y agofacebook doesn't store your (sent) whatsapp messages, and in contrast to sms they're by default encrypted. "Your Messages. We do not retain your messages in the ordinary course of providing our Services to you. Once your messages (including your chats, photos, videos, voice messages, files, and share location information) are delivered, they are deleted from our servers. Your messages are stored on your own device. If a message cannot be delivered immediately (for example, if you are offline), we may keep it on our servers for up to 30 days as we try to deliver it." https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/?eea=1#privacy-policy-information-we-collect https://www.whatsapp.com/legal/?eea=1#privacy-policy-informa...
- entropea 7y agoJust like they weren't using your 2FA data to sell ads. At this point, it's best to assume that Facebook is watching at all times, even if they say they aren't. Does anyone propose anything really 'crazy out there' that Facebook does that actually doesn't eventually come true? https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/27/yes-facebook-is-using-your-2fa-phone-number-to-target-you-with-ads/ https://techcrunch.com/2018/09/27/yes-facebook-is-using-your...
- dbbk 7y agoI really don't think the average person cares if their texts are end-to-end encrypted, though. I'm not sure most people even know what that would mean.
- MBCook 7y agoI agree the average person doesn’t know what it is, but I bet they would care if they did.
- Barrin92 7y agoI didn't assert tha the average person cares, just that the original claim about whatsapp is false. And also: it doesn't matter whether end users care about encryption or not, it still benefits them, this is exactly why end-to-end encryption is a very good default.
- dimator 7y agoExcept it's a matter of record that Zuckerberg is intent on undoing e2ee in whatsapp, and increasing ads[1]. you can't inject ads unless you're scanning the texts. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/whatsapp-founder-plans-to-leave-after-broad-clashes-with-parent-facebook/2018/04/30/49448dd2-4ca9-11e8-84a0-458a1aa9ac0a_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/whatsapp-fou...
- dx034 7y agoYou can provide ads based on metadata alone, no need for message contents.
- votepaunchy 7y agoAds based on metadata reveal message contents (people, location, time, and potentially message summarization).