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>> It is just as bad as cash. You mean that it is as good as cash. Bitcoin become a failed project, a big internet casino. Some people want to use digital mone

>> It is just as bad as cash. You mean that it is as good as cash. Bitcoin become a failed project, a big internet casino. Some people want to use digital money to make payments and get paid, you know? The success of the facebook coins depends by the ways to redeem the tokens(i.e do other shops accept it, can they be cashed out at atm, can you use it with 3rd party wallets etc)

maxlybbert 7y ago
Quoting the animated Dilbert TV show when Dilbert buys his mom a gift card: “you’ve exchanged your money for something like money, but less useful.”
- jrvxo 7y ago
  That series was brilliant. I don't know what happened to it :(
- maxlybbert 7y ago
  I finally found a real source, and as usual, my memory leaves much to be desired (ultimately Dilbert gets a gift certificate): Alice: A gift certificate is completely different from cash. Dilbert: No, it's not. They're both pieces of paper you can exchange for goods and services. Alice: You're missing the point. Dilbert: Actually, a gift certificate is worse than cash, because you can only use it in one place. Wally: And it expires. Alice: At least it shows some thought. Dilbert: It shows defective thought. You're trading perfectly good money for something that does the same thing, only not as well. Facebook’s currency may not expire or be limited to one place, but it does seem to me that “it does the same thing [as money], only not as well.”
  - dwild 7y ago
    > Facebook’s currency may not expire or be limited to one place, but it does seem to me that “it does the same thing [as money], only not as well.” I don't know but each time I try to show my cash into the computer... nothing happen. Libra does the same thing as "Paypal" would be more fitting, but then you forget that not everyone can use Paypal and that's where your logic fail. Venmo is always my best example for that, because I do have a Visa card, I do have a Paypal account. I'm in a developed country, thus I don't have issues to do transactions online. I still wouldn't be able to use Venmo though. If you were to only accept my transaction from Venmo, because you didn't like Visa and Paypal (yeah I know Venmo is owned by Paypal but you understands the point). Now imagine this world, but without any of theses. - Anyone can own a Libra wallet, me, you, someone in the middle of a third world country. - Anyone can transfer from a Libra wallet, to another, me, you, someone in the middle of a third world country included. That means that anyone can arbitrage values of Libra, anywhere in the world, whether Visa, Mastercard or Paypal decide that market worth it or not. Thus, anyone can pay using Libra, which make Paypal, "the same thing [as Libra], only not as well."
- thefounder 7y ago
  Well, you can't send physical money over optical/copper cables, can you?
  - maxlybbert 7y ago
    Personally, I believe PayPal, Western Union, banks, etc. have come up with decent ways to send money electronically.
    - dwild 7y ago
      > Personally That's the whole issue. You forget about everyone else that don't have access to Paypal or Western Union, or even wire transfer.
russian_bot 7y ago
No, it's worse than cash. Cash has the ability to be anonymous, be used for regulation arbitrage, and is untraceable. This "facebook coin" likely has none of these properties.
hanniabu 7y ago
Bitcoin has not failed. I know several people personally that are paid in it. They can also use it to buy things.
- cycrutchfield 7y ago
  And when they buy things, are those things denominated in fiat currency or in bitcoin?
  - hanniabu 7y ago
    Both
  - VRay 7y ago
    I guess Bitcoin is turning out to be the Esperanto of money
    - CaptainZapp 7y ago
      Somehow I don't think that you mean that as a compliment.
  - Lordarminius 7y ago
    > are those things denominated in fiat currency or in bitcoin By your logic if I exchange dollars for euros to spend on a vacation somewhere that means the dollar has failed ?
    - thefounder 7y ago
      Bitcoin is volatile. That's the main issue. You can't say that about the dollar or euro. Now imagine you get paid in bitcoin, save every month for a holiday or a high value purchase. When the time comes to make the purchase you find out that your savings are worth less than 10%. How does it feel using bitcoin? I tried to use bitcoin(as a merchant) but due its volatility it makes no sense to use it(as merchant or buyer).

maxlybbert 7y ago

Quoting the animated Dilbert TV show when Dilbert buys his mom a gift card: “you’ve exchanged your money for something like money, but less useful.”

jrvxo 7y ago
That series was brilliant. I don't know what happened to it :(
maxlybbert 7y ago
I finally found a real source, and as usual, my memory leaves much to be desired (ultimately Dilbert gets a gift certificate): Alice: A gift certificate is completely different from cash. Dilbert: No, it's not. They're both pieces of paper you can exchange for goods and services. Alice: You're missing the point. Dilbert: Actually, a gift certificate is worse than cash, because you can only use it in one place. Wally: And it expires. Alice: At least it shows some thought. Dilbert: It shows defective thought. You're trading perfectly good money for something that does the same thing, only not as well. Facebook’s currency may not expire or be limited to one place, but it does seem to me that “it does the same thing [as money], only not as well.”
- dwild 7y ago
  > Facebook’s currency may not expire or be limited to one place, but it does seem to me that “it does the same thing [as money], only not as well.” I don't know but each time I try to show my cash into the computer... nothing happen. Libra does the same thing as "Paypal" would be more fitting, but then you forget that not everyone can use Paypal and that's where your logic fail. Venmo is always my best example for that, because I do have a Visa card, I do have a Paypal account. I'm in a developed country, thus I don't have issues to do transactions online. I still wouldn't be able to use Venmo though. If you were to only accept my transaction from Venmo, because you didn't like Visa and Paypal (yeah I know Venmo is owned by Paypal but you understands the point). Now imagine this world, but without any of theses. - Anyone can own a Libra wallet, me, you, someone in the middle of a third world country. - Anyone can transfer from a Libra wallet, to another, me, you, someone in the middle of a third world country included. That means that anyone can arbitrage values of Libra, anywhere in the world, whether Visa, Mastercard or Paypal decide that market worth it or not. Thus, anyone can pay using Libra, which make Paypal, "the same thing [as Libra], only not as well."
thefounder 7y ago
Well, you can't send physical money over optical/copper cables, can you?
- maxlybbert 7y ago
  Personally, I believe PayPal, Western Union, banks, etc. have come up with decent ways to send money electronically.
  - dwild 7y ago
    > Personally That's the whole issue. You forget about everyone else that don't have access to Paypal or Western Union, or even wire transfer.

russian_bot 7y ago

No, it's worse than cash. Cash has the ability to be anonymous, be used for regulation arbitrage, and is untraceable. This "facebook coin" likely has none of these properties.

hanniabu 7y ago

Bitcoin has not failed. I know several people personally that are paid in it. They can also use it to buy things.

cycrutchfield 7y ago
And when they buy things, are those things denominated in fiat currency or in bitcoin?
- hanniabu 7y ago
  Both
- VRay 7y ago
  I guess Bitcoin is turning out to be the Esperanto of money
  - CaptainZapp 7y ago
    Somehow I don't think that you mean that as a compliment.
- Lordarminius 7y ago
  > are those things denominated in fiat currency or in bitcoin By your logic if I exchange dollars for euros to spend on a vacation somewhere that means the dollar has failed ?
  - thefounder 7y ago
    Bitcoin is volatile. That's the main issue. You can't say that about the dollar or euro. Now imagine you get paid in bitcoin, save every month for a holiday or a high value purchase. When the time comes to make the purchase you find out that your savings are worth less than 10%. How does it feel using bitcoin? I tried to use bitcoin(as a merchant) but due its volatility it makes no sense to use it(as merchant or buyer).