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Sad to read you have such a narrow view of the news media. Maybe it’s that way in your home country. Or maybe some specific outlets have spoiled it for the othe

by tnolet 7y ago

Sad to read you have such a narrow view of the news media. Maybe it’s that way in your home country. Or maybe some specific outlets have spoiled it for the others. If you’re ever in Germany or the Netherlands I’d be happy to show you how my partner (a journalist for a national broadcaster) and her coworkers go about it. It’s the opposite of lazy, copy & paste. It’s hard working, diligent, critical etc.

Chris_Chambers 7y ago
Wow, his comment struck a nerve so hard that you perceived it as a personal attack against your girlfriend. Sorry, but the “journalism” conducted by any mainstream news outlet in Germany is guaranteed to be garbage. Her job is a joke, and so are you for defending it. What an absurd claim that you’d invite a total stranger online to go into her workplace with you to lurk and watch what’s happening. You definitely wouldn’t do that, which means you just said that as a rhetorical tool to further fuel your own passive aggressive response as you try to get that dopamine rush from defending your girlfriend from the males of the invading tribe or whatever ancient instinct has possessed you to respond in the manner you did.
Aeolun 7y ago
I think the problem is that even though maybe a 100 different unique stories are crafted by dilligent, hard-working people, there are a 100,000 others that are just copied from those originals. If you just take a casual glance through a few tens of articles, everything will look like a carbon copy.
- ghaff 7y ago
  And no small number of them are largely cut-and-pasted or computer-written from a press release. (Including at the few outlets which also craft a few unique stories to keep up their brand.)
will4274 7y ago
> narrow view I'm not sure a personal attack like this is appropriate. Your anecdote is no more valuable a data point than parents. My own (anecdote) mirrors OP - front page stories from major American publications like the WaPo and NYT often show downright shoddy research techniques - a lack of corroboration, a failure to consider all the relevant data, and a generally obsession with narrative writing rather than covering all the relevant facts. If you want to argue that journalism is strong in your country, you might start by giving an example of a typical publication from your country.
- somatic 7y ago
  NYT, WaPo, and the rest are just aliases for particular groups of people. It all starts with those people, at an individual level. What sort of person is going into “journalism” these days, and why? Would you? Do you know anyone who would? Why or why not? Would you turn down a job at Google to become a “journalist”, any “journalist”? Would you recommend that course of action to a bright teen?
soulofmischief 7y ago
You criticize OP for having a narrow view and then support your claim with anecdotal evidence... I'm happy that your partner and her coworkers have some integrity, but that doesn't have much bearing on the overall industry.

by tnolet 7y ago

Chris_Chambers 7y ago

Wow, his comment struck a nerve so hard that you perceived it as a personal attack against your girlfriend. Sorry, but the “journalism” conducted by any mainstream news outlet in Germany is guaranteed to be garbage. Her job is a joke, and so are you for defending it. What an absurd claim that you’d invite a total stranger online to go into her workplace with you to lurk and watch what’s happening. You definitely wouldn’t do that, which means you just said that as a rhetorical tool to further fuel your own passive aggressive response as you try to get that dopamine rush from defending your girlfriend from the males of the invading tribe or whatever ancient instinct has possessed you to respond in the manner you did.

Aeolun 7y ago

I think the problem is that even though maybe a 100 different unique stories are crafted by dilligent, hard-working people, there are a 100,000 others that are just copied from those originals. If you just take a casual glance through a few tens of articles, everything will look like a carbon copy.

ghaff 7y ago
And no small number of them are largely cut-and-pasted or computer-written from a press release. (Including at the few outlets which also craft a few unique stories to keep up their brand.)

will4274 7y ago

> narrow view I'm not sure a personal attack like this is appropriate. Your anecdote is no more valuable a data point than parents. My own (anecdote) mirrors OP - front page stories from major American publications like the WaPo and NYT often show downright shoddy research techniques - a lack of corroboration, a failure to consider all the relevant data, and a generally obsession with narrative writing rather than covering all the relevant facts. If you want to argue that journalism is strong in your country, you might start by giving an example of a typical publication from your country.

somatic 7y ago
NYT, WaPo, and the rest are just aliases for particular groups of people. It all starts with those people, at an individual level. What sort of person is going into “journalism” these days, and why? Would you? Do you know anyone who would? Why or why not? Would you turn down a job at Google to become a “journalist”, any “journalist”? Would you recommend that course of action to a bright teen?

soulofmischief 7y ago

You criticize OP for having a narrow view and then support your claim with anecdotal evidence... I'm happy that your partner and her coworkers have some integrity, but that doesn't have much bearing on the overall industry.