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Tangent to the article: I have often wondered if it would be advantageous to start offering an optional 2nd sash belt to better secure the passenger to lateral

by zizee 7y ago

Tangent to the article: I have often wondered if it would be advantageous to start offering an optional 2nd sash belt to better secure the passenger to lateral movement, and spread the belt load across more area.

ken 7y ago
Volvo SCC: https://www.media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/media/pressreleases/5275 https://www.media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/media/pressrele...
- p1esk 7y ago
  This is from 2001, do Volvo cars offer this type of seatbelts now?
  - TylerE 7y ago
    They never have, it's a concept car.
    - zizee 7y ago
      I wonder why Volvo never went further with this? I can't imagine the cost would be prohibitive to add these to a high end vehicle like Volvo produces, and it would fit perfectly with there safety first image.
copperx 7y ago
That's a great idea, but we shouldn't forget about securing the head too. I think about that frequently since the day a friend was killed while riding on the back seat of the car. The crash was a low force T-bone collision, but he had an internal decapitation because of lateral head movement.
- zizee 7y ago
  That is rather horrific. I am sorry to hear that happened. I like the idea of some sort of head restraint. The challenge with a head restraint would be making something not restrictive, and silly looking, otherwise people would just not use it.
avn2109 7y ago
I think you just invented the 5-point racing harness.
- zizee 7y ago
  I think that you can recognise that there would be key differences though. It would be less conspicuous, easier to put on, and not an all or nothing proposition.
lazyjones 7y ago
Why not go all the way and glue/stitch a vest to the seat for the driver to slip in? ;-)
- zizee 7y ago
  I know you're just being humourous, but your joke highlights a challenge with people and safety equipment. People resist using safety stuff for a variety of reasons. E.g. not looking cool, convenience, anti-authoritarism etc. We could make cars significantly more "death-proof" with rollcages, harnesses, helmets, speed-limitors etc. But we don't, and for many good reasons. My (somewhat drawnout) point is that design of these features matters not just from a safety result pov.

by zizee 7y ago

ken 7y ago

Volvo SCC: https://www.media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/media/pressreleases/5275 https://www.media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/media/pressrele...

p1esk 7y ago
This is from 2001, do Volvo cars offer this type of seatbelts now?
- TylerE 7y ago
  They never have, it's a concept car.
  - zizee 7y ago
    I wonder why Volvo never went further with this? I can't imagine the cost would be prohibitive to add these to a high end vehicle like Volvo produces, and it would fit perfectly with there safety first image.

copperx 7y ago

That's a great idea, but we shouldn't forget about securing the head too. I think about that frequently since the day a friend was killed while riding on the back seat of the car. The crash was a low force T-bone collision, but he had an internal decapitation because of lateral head movement.

zizee 7y ago
That is rather horrific. I am sorry to hear that happened. I like the idea of some sort of head restraint. The challenge with a head restraint would be making something not restrictive, and silly looking, otherwise people would just not use it.

avn2109 7y ago

I think you just invented the 5-point racing harness.

zizee 7y ago
I think that you can recognise that there would be key differences though. It would be less conspicuous, easier to put on, and not an all or nothing proposition.

lazyjones 7y ago

Why not go all the way and glue/stitch a vest to the seat for the driver to slip in? ;-)

zizee 7y ago
I know you're just being humourous, but your joke highlights a challenge with people and safety equipment. People resist using safety stuff for a variety of reasons. E.g. not looking cool, convenience, anti-authoritarism etc. We could make cars significantly more "death-proof" with rollcages, harnesses, helmets, speed-limitors etc. But we don't, and for many good reasons. My (somewhat drawnout) point is that design of these features matters not just from a safety result pov.