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Mediatek and Huawei (RIP)

by sct202 7y ago

tw04 7y ago
I'm going to be honest, at this point, after blatantly stealing tech from both Cisco and Samsung, how can you even claim Huawei developed the technical know how and didn't just steal it?
- TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
  The question was who has not who developed.
- WoahNoun 7y ago
  Because they have a lot of patents. Either they developed the tech in the patents independently or they stole tech which other companies declined to patent. The latter option doesn't make sense since everyone in the wireless industry makes money from patent licensing. (Opposed to something like DRAM manufacturing tech where you generally aren't licensing patents and your tech is your competitive advantage)
  - threeseed 7y ago
    There is a third option. They acquired patents: https://www.iam-media.com/frandseps/huawei-acquires-patents-firm-run-former-pantech-ip-head https://www.iam-media.com/frandseps/huawei-acquires-patents-... But to be fair Huawei is spending a large amount of their revenue on R&D so not surprised they are inventing new technologies. That said we also know that they have stolen a lot of IP in the past (and maybe now).
- pinkfoot 7y ago
  Have you ever noticed how similar GM, Ford, and Chrysler's 4-stroke engines are to the original Daimler engines? Would you then accept a claim that said their was zero invention and innovatation in the USA car industry for a century? Please get over yourselves.
  - threeseed 7y ago
    When did anyone say there was no invention/innovation ? It was about Huawei's record of IP theft.
  - ctime 7y ago
    A more appropriate example would be if every engine was the same right down to the Daimler logo still plastered on the engine blocks. That company has no shame.
    - pinkfoot 7y ago
      May I assume then that you consider Bell helicopter corporation to be equally sleazy? They leased a Eurocopter for 'evalaution purposes' and then built their own helo with the same patented (CA 2207787) landing gear. The Canadian court even awarded punitive damages in civil case 2012 FC 113. Note that there a) is a claimant with an actual localised patent number, and b) who cared enough to open a case. I'v yet to see both in a complaint against Chinese companies. Which is not to say it doesn't exist, but where are the chinese patent numbers, and where are the case numbers? Let's have the data.
- writepub 7y ago
  While the stealing part is likely true, everytime a Westerner has dismissed the innovation ability of China, they've typically been wrong. China has long passed the phase of being an imitator with low cost manufacturing abilities, and matured into an innovator. There probably is still a cultural tolerance of IP theft, but that too will pass in a decade
  - chillacy 7y ago
    Sub China for Japan, Germany, or the US for different periods of history and the comparison still works.
scarface74 7y ago
From everything I know,MediaTek basically caters to the low end. It will be years before catering to the low end will be a viable business model. The only companies selling high end phones at scale are Apple and Samsung and even Samsung sells mostly low end phones -their average selling price is below $300. That’s also the problem with Android watches. The Android market for Android Wear is minuscule because the processors suck and the processors suck because the market is too small to be worth the investment.
mrtweetyhack 7y ago
You think they care about patents?

Mediatek and Huawei (RIP)

by sct202 7y ago

Mediatek and Huawei (RIP)

tw04 7y ago

I'm going to be honest, at this point, after blatantly stealing tech from both Cisco and Samsung, how can you even claim Huawei developed the technical know how and didn't just steal it?

TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
The question was who has not who developed.
WoahNoun 7y ago
Because they have a lot of patents. Either they developed the tech in the patents independently or they stole tech which other companies declined to patent. The latter option doesn't make sense since everyone in the wireless industry makes money from patent licensing. (Opposed to something like DRAM manufacturing tech where you generally aren't licensing patents and your tech is your competitive advantage)
- threeseed 7y ago
  There is a third option. They acquired patents: https://www.iam-media.com/frandseps/huawei-acquires-patents-firm-run-former-pantech-ip-head https://www.iam-media.com/frandseps/huawei-acquires-patents-... But to be fair Huawei is spending a large amount of their revenue on R&D so not surprised they are inventing new technologies. That said we also know that they have stolen a lot of IP in the past (and maybe now).
pinkfoot 7y ago
Have you ever noticed how similar GM, Ford, and Chrysler's 4-stroke engines are to the original Daimler engines? Would you then accept a claim that said their was zero invention and innovatation in the USA car industry for a century? Please get over yourselves.
- threeseed 7y ago
  When did anyone say there was no invention/innovation ? It was about Huawei's record of IP theft.
- ctime 7y ago
  A more appropriate example would be if every engine was the same right down to the Daimler logo still plastered on the engine blocks. That company has no shame.
  - pinkfoot 7y ago
    May I assume then that you consider Bell helicopter corporation to be equally sleazy? They leased a Eurocopter for 'evalaution purposes' and then built their own helo with the same patented (CA 2207787) landing gear. The Canadian court even awarded punitive damages in civil case 2012 FC 113. Note that there a) is a claimant with an actual localised patent number, and b) who cared enough to open a case. I'v yet to see both in a complaint against Chinese companies. Which is not to say it doesn't exist, but where are the chinese patent numbers, and where are the case numbers? Let's have the data.
writepub 7y ago
While the stealing part is likely true, everytime a Westerner has dismissed the innovation ability of China, they've typically been wrong. China has long passed the phase of being an imitator with low cost manufacturing abilities, and matured into an innovator. There probably is still a cultural tolerance of IP theft, but that too will pass in a decade
- chillacy 7y ago
  Sub China for Japan, Germany, or the US for different periods of history and the comparison still works.

scarface74 7y ago

From everything I know,MediaTek basically caters to the low end. It will be years before catering to the low end will be a viable business model. The only companies selling high end phones at scale are Apple and Samsung and even Samsung sells mostly low end phones -their average selling price is below $300. That’s also the problem with Android watches. The Android market for Android Wear is minuscule because the processors suck and the processors suck because the market is too small to be worth the investment.

mrtweetyhack 7y ago

You think they care about patents?