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Watchlist? Jail. Material support to an act of terrorism. Edit - from the search warrant application: "will be found evidence of violations of federal law, na

by dsl 7y ago

Watchlist? Jail. Material support to an act of terrorism. Edit - from the search warrant application: "will be found evidence of violations of federal law, namely, intentional obstruction, by force or threat of force of persons in the free exercise of religious belief, resulting in death, in violation of 1 S U.S.C. § 247(a)(2), willfully causing bodily injury to persons through the use of a firearm because of the actual or perceived religion of said persons, resulting in death, in violation of 1 S U.S.C. § 249(a)(l), and damage to religious property, in violation of lS U.S.C. § 25 247(a)(l )" Edit 2: Lots of legal eagles on HN today that are upset at the word "material." Sorry? If you read the full search warrant it sounds like he torched a synagogue, and was encouraged to follow up with a shooting.

nyolfen 7y ago
what material?
userbinator 7y ago
Even those saying no and telling him not to do it?
- krapp 7y ago
  >Even those saying no and telling him not to do it? Would this be an example of the dry irony the chans are so well known for?
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  Its unlikely that he read any of the comments given the necessarily short time interval between announcement and perpetration.
meowface 7y ago
As disgusting as it is, it isn't a crime to say you agree with a terrorist's message or like what they're doing. Unlike in New Zealand, you can't be imprisoned for expressing thoughts or spreading information (like the shooter's manifesto). That said, there's nothing stopping them from putting such people on a watchlist, and if there was anyone deserving of being on a watchlist, it'd definitely be the people on 8chan /pol/ worshiping the shooter (so nearly all of 8chan /pol/).
- lsiebert 7y ago
  I think it can become illegal in the US if you are encouraging people to do criminal acts imminently. That's arguably incitement, but I'm not a lawyer, and this isn't legal advice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action
  - mrep 7y ago
    case in point, the girl that convinced her boyfriend to commit suicide: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/02/calls-and-texts-urging-suicide-can-be-manslaughter-court-rules/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/02/calls-and-texts-...
  - flyingfences 7y ago
    It has to be both imminent and likely - if you saw somebody posting something like that, would you think they were actually going to do it? Nah, it'd blend in with all the other larping and shitposts.
    - shaki-dora 7y ago
      "It" did actually happen, shortly after the post, and was therefore both imminent and likely. This was also the second such incident within just a few weeks. Knowledge about Christchurch should maybe have informed these "shitposters'". Can't really claim it's all just a joke after people have died.
      - XaoDaoCaoCao 7y ago
        The jokesterism is in response to a joke world. There are innumerable numbers of murders each year but somehow a spree killing is enough to slay irony? 9/11 wasn't enough to slay irony. The reaction to it excaberbated the ironic mode of moderm culture.
      - Dylan16807 7y ago
        > did actually happen...therefore...likely. That's not how likelihood works.
bendbro 7y ago
How was material support provided?
microcolonel 7y ago
The word material in material support is crucial.

by dsl 7y ago

nyolfen 7y ago

what material?

userbinator 7y ago

Even those saying no and telling him not to do it?

krapp 7y ago
>Even those saying no and telling him not to do it? Would this be an example of the dry irony the chans are so well known for?
anigbrowl 7y ago
Its unlikely that he read any of the comments given the necessarily short time interval between announcement and perpetration.

meowface 7y ago

As disgusting as it is, it isn't a crime to say you agree with a terrorist's message or like what they're doing. Unlike in New Zealand, you can't be imprisoned for expressing thoughts or spreading information (like the shooter's manifesto). That said, there's nothing stopping them from putting such people on a watchlist, and if there was anyone deserving of being on a watchlist, it'd definitely be the people on 8chan /pol/ worshiping the shooter (so nearly all of 8chan /pol/).

lsiebert 7y ago
I think it can become illegal in the US if you are encouraging people to do criminal acts imminently. That's arguably incitement, but I'm not a lawyer, and this isn't legal advice. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imminent_lawless_action
- mrep 7y ago
  case in point, the girl that convinced her boyfriend to commit suicide: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/02/calls-and-texts-urging-suicide-can-be-manslaughter-court-rules/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2019/02/calls-and-texts-...
- flyingfences 7y ago
  It has to be both imminent and likely - if you saw somebody posting something like that, would you think they were actually going to do it? Nah, it'd blend in with all the other larping and shitposts.
  - shaki-dora 7y ago
    "It" did actually happen, shortly after the post, and was therefore both imminent and likely. This was also the second such incident within just a few weeks. Knowledge about Christchurch should maybe have informed these "shitposters'". Can't really claim it's all just a joke after people have died.
    - XaoDaoCaoCao 7y ago
      The jokesterism is in response to a joke world. There are innumerable numbers of murders each year but somehow a spree killing is enough to slay irony? 9/11 wasn't enough to slay irony. The reaction to it excaberbated the ironic mode of moderm culture.
    - Dylan16807 7y ago
      > did actually happen...therefore...likely. That's not how likelihood works.

bendbro 7y ago

How was material support provided?

microcolonel 7y ago

The word material in material support is crucial.